La Perla Sewerage

[bombero]

Perfume wagon took two loads away this morning

[DLMcN]

Problem solved - the La Perla spillage has ceased! ... Many thanks to all involved.

[DLMcN]

Mike - Please may we have an update? The pools of smelly, stagnant liquid must constitute a serious pollution hazard - such that the problem should have been given a very high priority after it was reported to the Town Hall 2½ weeks ago.

I must challenge your ~?reassurance that "the majority of the liquid coming out of these lids is river water" â€" [i.e., please bear in mind that this would have to slowly battle its way through resistance provided by soil and stones underground, and then through the break in the pipe]. In any event, it would help if you could tell us more about the actual place involved in this^ controversial process, so please answer my question [12th November, asked again on the 14th]: Where exactly is the broken pipe?

You maintain that "the flow in the sewer is a trickle … [while] the flow from the river is much greater" - because [you] "spend time looking into these sewers"... But how much could you really see of the inflow into a pit which is completely filled right to the brim?... Yes, viewed from outside one could describe the movement as a 'trickle' - but could that be because the liquid is having to force its way out against the weight of the lid? If that is so, then the tube could well be 100% full almost as far as the residential area! â€" such that if this manhole cover was lifted, a somewhat greater quantity of fluid would suddenly come gushing out ... Or did you actually open that lid in order to try “looking inside”?

Is the total daily effluent from all connected houses - really just a trickle? ... Perhaps you could tell us how many families are involved? [< This is another question which can be added to the two which I put to you on the 12th and 14th of this month!]

.... Where exactly is the pipe-break?...

... I am hoping that [Mike] will be able to answer my questions, specifically:
Where does the La Perla sewage-tube end up, eventually?
and
Where exactly is the pipe-break?

Clearly roger does not want to answer the questions, so instead I will explain for DLMcN why the problem would not be solved with a tanker and why the problem is leading to escaping water. Along the rambla runs the sewer pipe,it is run along the edge of the rambla so as not to be disrupted by the strong flows in the main riverbed, the side of the rambla is an ideal route for sewer pipes as it has a gradual fall, the problem even on its edge when prolonged water flow or heavy water flow there is a chance that soft ground will cause movement or the soils around the pipe to be moved, as could happen underground away from the rambla.
   
The rambla is said to be flowing when we see the water passing above the gravel bed thus becoming a river or stream,, however the rambla is running to some degree all through the year hidden in the depths of the gravel, there is a thimbra below the tower on the edge of town, this is a pit with a simple filter system which is used to get water (pumped) from the rambla all year round for the farmers, so the water is constantly flowing, so in this case the water has caused a break in the pipe, as the pipe is buried alongside the rambla we now know that the river is flowing in the gravel and will find its way into the pipe, the route of least resistance, the flow in the sewer is a trickle, I know because I spend time looking into these sewers, however the flow from the river is much greater and is far more than the system can cope with and of course it fills a potho or sewerage system very quickly over charging its capacity, this results in a back fill of water which fills the pipework and escapes from the lids, the majority of the liquid coming out of these lids is river water mixed with a small amount of sewerage shower washing machine water etc, The pipe requires repairing that is clear and this water does smell because of what it is mixed with, but it needs repairing properly to solve the problem, sending two tankers a day would not solve this as it would fill up from the river again as removing water from the pipework would just increase the inward flow.

             Regards Mike

[DLMcN]

... I will explain for DLMcN why the problem would not be solved with a tanker and why the problem is leading to escaping water....

Thank you Mike, for going to all that trouble, with such detail.

After you sent me [on 31st October] a Personal Message saying "a tanker will be sent to empty the potho", it was inevitable that I would then wonder why this was never done.

Reading your description, the setup/scenario is totally different from the one which I [and others] had pictured, namely:
It sounds as if the pipe running westwards down Avenida La Perla does not terminate where that road enters the Rambla? ... You imply that it continues towards the 'reservoir' [which you mention] below the Tower? > In other words, that tube crosses the main river channel? Obviously, as required by the Laws of Hydrodynamics, it needs to facilitate a general 'downhill' movement of its contents - quite possibly raised at certain points by pumps along the way... As of this moment, where does that tube lead to [and end up], eventually?

Where exactly is the pipe-break? In order to cause the problem, its altitude ['above sea level'] must presumably be higher than that of the manhole-cover at the bottom [western end] of Avenida La Perla - (confirmed by your 31st October post, when you wrote "the river water has found its way into this break and travelled down to La Perla where it finds its way out though the lower lids in the rambla" [my italics]...

After rereading Mike's last post, I now have doubts as to whether I really have managed to understand it all properly.

So - I am hoping that he will be able to answer my questions, specifically:
Where does the La Perla sewage-tube end up, eventually?
and
Where exactly is the pipe-break?

Accurately assessing the strength and variability of underground water-flow at different points in a river-bed is not an easy task, requiring specialised equipment and resources...

Thus, surely it is worth trying to empty the communal reception-pit at the end of Avenida La Perla? - at least once or twice, to see if that can contribute to reducing the pollution there.

[Johnny73]

Been to church and prayed for someone capable of fixing a broken pipe ( how difficult can it be )   and an end to ever ongoing merits or failings of an AFO.
Will it work , don't suppose so. 😁😁
Enjoy Sunday.

[Tetley]

Rog when you get a min ,can you put the full AFO  legal text up ,showing the restrictions .( in english )


(i am in favour of the AFO  to sort the land ownership and make the inheritance more achievable ,but its is not the same as having a full set of urban legal documents  and the current registered land owner must be willing to co oparate or its finished befor its started ,but a full set of legal documents will be un achievable for some folks so the AFO is worth a look  and then do the sums )


olive and out

[Tetley]

I just wish i could spell Ironic .....bearing in mind it was the AUAN and Maura that Secured the AFO Legislation with the Spanish Government .....and here we are  in Arboleas 7 years On with Rog extolling the Benifits of the AUAN  work & Achievement's and guiding people ....to AFO (wich is positive and worth a look  if the numbers stack  after full consideration )

isnt politics' wonderfull dears   


https://www.costa-news.com/costa-almeria-news/arboleas-council-strikes-out-at-auan/

Arboleas council strikes out at Auan
Residents allegedly ‘distressed’ by property rights association advice letter

September 29, 20160868
By Emma Randle

A row has broken out between Arboleas council and the Auan property rights association after the local authority took umbrage at a letter sent to Auan members in the town advising them of their position under recent property law changes.

Deputy mayor Roger Done, posting on Arboleas Forum, said the letter had “caused considerable distress to residents” while Auan president Maura Hillen said she was “disappointed and bewildered” by the council’s reaction.

Arboleas council publicly accused the Auan of telling its members that the council was following the “wrong route for regularisation of properties”.



early start Olive picking ,but i have Blues Brother,s on ,on CD  get all olive positive      

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbq0OuJtErs   Seeing the AUAN  AFO Political light   

[Tetley]

I make two points about the topic on this thread.

First is that the Town Hall is totally responsible for the sewage problem, and the residents should not be pressured not to complain for fear of the Environmental police knocking on their door.

Second, I and many people I speak to, do not agree with the priority of the Town Hall in spending Council Tax money.
This is something I disagreed with while I was Deputy Mayor, which is why I was sacked.
I have no problem with that.
It’s politics, and I got my life back.
_____________________________________________________________________

Since I left the Town Hall many people have asked for my help and advice, because they say that they do not trust the Town Hall (a very widely held opinion).
I have been happy to advise people, and always advised them to use a competent Spanish Lawyer.
The result is that many people have applied for AFO Certificates from the Town Hall, to obtain their escrituras, because the Town Hall has taken so long and they have been given confusing information as to progress.
The advice to get AFOs is not just my advice, but the advice of lawyers and pressure groups.

Of course the Town Hall does not like this, and for several months refused to issue AFOs, until they were threatened with legal action.

I know that Mike, in his position as Deputy Mayor, has been giving people information which is disputed by lawyers.
I believe I have the right to publish the legal opinion I have obtained from lawyers.

In particular he has just published some so called facts about Calle Sherezade and Los Torres.
What he has published is factually not correct, and I have the obligation to publish the truth, which I will do tomorrow on another thread.
________________________________________________________________________

I know that people who read this forum rely on it for information, although most do not contribute, because they tell me they do not like the response they will get from one or two contributors.

However 50 years in local politics has given me thick skin, so I will publish what I believe the public should know.
As opposed to what the local politicians want people to believe.
________________________________________________________________________

here we go Rog just for anybody with an Intrest..... in our local British political History from 2008 onwards .....

https://www.lavozdealmeria.com/noticia/3/provincia/139270/el-concejal-roger-done-dimite-porque-dice-haber-perdido-la-confianza-del-alcalde


WILLIAM MIRON
00:35 • 08 OCT 2017
The Municipal Corporation of Arboleas will now have a new face in the ranks of the party that governs the municipality, the Socialist Party. In the plenary session held yesterday morning, the Corporation made effective the resignation of the Arbolean deputy mayor Roger Done, who has held a place in the municipal government for the last six years.


The reasons given by Done are based mainly on the lack of "trust" in the current socialist mayor Cristóbal García, which the former councilor explains with several examples set out in a letter. “This is a matter of personal credibility and a moral imperative for an elected representative to protect and represent the people. To ignore this imperative is to say that the democratic system is worthless. We are all elected to represent the people, not to represent the administration”, summarizes Roger Done in one of the sections included in the letter.


Arguments
In this way, the former mayor focuses on an alleged lack of agreement when making government decisions. “In conclusion, without effective democratic participation in the decisions and actions of the City Council, I find it difficult to justify the balance of my time trying to keep up with events outside of my commitment to my domestic obligations”, he asserts before stating that “I I will withdraw from all participation in the current administration.”


In this sense, the already former councilor lists actions such as "the contract for a private company to collect garbage from the clean point" that "was signed without any discussion." Done also refers to the "continuous complaints I receive about the promises made to the neighbors about the connection to the sewerage system or for the completion of the works, and that they are not kept."







The mayor responds
Cristóbal García, mayor of Arboles, believes that what happened with Roger Done "has been a misunderstanding." He explains that due to family reasons “he has stopped coming to City Hall and has lost a bit of the daily information that is given, although, in any case, everything that is done is passed through the government commissions and he did attend all of them” .


Regarding the arguments raised by the former deputy mayor, García considers that "he has said things that he should not because none of them are true" and he does not want to "enter the war because the truth comes out very quickly and it has been seen that his claims had little basis".


One case raised by Done for his resignation is the way "the gym club has been treated." The mayor explains that "there were things in the gym that did not work and had to be fixed" but that "they have already been corrected by renewing the contracts," concludes Critóbla García.


After the departure of Roger Done, it will be Juana María Martínez who will take her place in the Corporation as socialist mayor.



So it Looks like you were still on bog pipes way back then Rog and there still at it now 5 years after your resignation  ......onwards and upwards   

[lmj52]

I’m just glad we took the advice of our out of area lawyer, in 2005 who said do not buy in Arboleas!
I am aware that some people who, despite  doing a lot of research, still got shafted.
I wish you well, but it’s too late for many I’m afraid.

[DLMcN]

... I will explain for DLMcN why the problem would not be solved with a tanker and why the problem is leading to escaping water....

Thank you Mike, for going to all that trouble, with such detail.

After you sent me [on 31st October] a Personal Message saying "a tanker will be sent to empty the potho", it was inevitable that I would then wonder why this was never done.

Reading your description, the setup/scenario is totally different from the one which I [and others] had pictured, namely:
It sounds as if the pipe running westwards down Avenida La Perla does not terminate where that road enters the Rambla? ... You imply that it continues towards the 'reservoir' [which you mention] below the Tower? > In other words, that tube crosses the main river channel? Obviously, as required by the Laws of Hydrodynamics, it needs to facilitate a general 'downhill' movement of its contents - quite possibly raised at certain points by pumps along the way... As of this moment, where does that tube lead to [and end up], eventually?

Where exactly is the pipe-break? In order to cause the problem, its altitude ['above sea level'] must presumably be higher than that of the manhole-cover at the bottom [western end] of Avenida La Perla - (confirmed by your 31st October post, when you wrote "the river water has found its way into this break and travelled down to La Perla where it finds its way out though the lower lids in the rambla" [my italics]...

[It is puzzling, though - how river water can flow down to La Perla when the river bed is at a lower altitude?]

Like Penhallow, I find this really interesting and intriguing - so I may well pop in to the Town Hall one day so that you can show me the present 'connection-pattern' on a map; [and you might also have time to mention the Town Hall's plans for the future].

[Roger]

I make two points about the topic on this thread.

First is that the Town Hall is totally responsible for the sewage problem, and the residents should not be pressured not to complain for fear of the Environmental police knocking on their door.

Second, I and many people I speak to, do not agree with the priority of the Town Hall in spending Council Tax money.
This is something I disagreed with while I was Deputy Mayor, which is why I was sacked.
I have no problem with that.
It’s politics, and I got my life back.
_____________________________________________________________________

Since I left the Town Hall many people have asked for my help and advice, because they say that they do not trust the Town Hall (a very widely held opinion).
I have been happy to advise people, and always advised them to use a competent Spanish Lawyer.
The result is that many people have applied for AFO Certificates from the Town Hall, to obtain their escrituras, because the Town Hall has taken so long and they have been given confusing information as to progress.
The advice to get AFOs is not just my advice, but the advice of lawyers and pressure groups.

Of course the Town Hall does not like this, and for several months refused to issue AFOs, until they were threatened with legal action.

I know that Mike, in his position as Deputy Mayor, has been giving people information which is disputed by lawyers.
I believe I have the right to publish the legal opinion I have obtained from lawyers.

In particular he has just published some so called facts about Calle Sherezade and Los Torres.
What he has published is factually not correct, and I have the obligation to publish the truth, which I will do tomorrow on another thread.
________________________________________________________________________

I know that people who read this forum rely on it for information, although most do not contribute, because they tell me they do not like the response they will get from one or two contributors.

However 50 years in local politics has given me thick skin, so I will publish what I believe the public should know.
As opposed to what the local politicians want people to believe.
________________________________________________________________________

[Penhallow]

Amazed ! Reading these posts takes me back to Mahadia in Tunisia about 31 years ago when they had a similar problem !

[Tetley]

In reply...
The town hall has nearly one million euros from council tax and vehicle tax each year.
How it's spent is up to the Mayor.
Not the Diputacion.

This is in addition to Diputacion grants.

so what are you telling us all now Rog .......because the town hall borrowed 150k ( might have been more ) i think from the bank approx. 20 months ago to do the los corascos /tip super highway .....from memory  so we dont seem to be over flowing down there with our tax euro....do we .

[Roger]

In reply...
The town hall has nearly one million euros from council tax and vehicle tax each year.
How it's spent is up to the Mayor.
Not the Diputacion.

This is in addition to Diputacion grants.

[DLMcN]

    Maybe after your and other people's concerns it is now time to stop further connections until the plant is installed denying others the privilege so I will discuss this with the Mayor ...

Instead^, another possible way of tackling it - would be to increase the frequency with which the "communal reception-pits" get emptied?

(Modified/enhanced):

... increase[ ] [even more!] the frequency with which [it gets] emptied].....

Perhaps that^ could be the key to successfully operating, even while serving a full complement of houses in La Perla [and La Cinta and El Prado]? ... A comment and explanation from the Town Hall would be enlightening - and reassuring.

[DLMcN]

The problem in La Perla was caused by a broken pipe, possibly from when the river[] was running for the first three months of the year, the river water has found its way into this break and travelled down to La Perla where it finds its way out though the lower lids in the rambla ... The pipe is being repaired and the escape of water in the rambla should stop soon.

... A temporary fix is a waste of time and money so when it is done it will be done properly,..

Mike - Many thanks for explaining^ (although it is not clear how significant amounts of "extra water" can [still?] be finding their way into the broken pipe, thereby producing/ contributing to the problem? ... Or maybe I have misread your description of the process).

I do have to confess, though, to not understanding why it is not worth sending a tanker-lorry - now - to empty La Perla's "communal pozo"?

(Modified/enhanced):

... increase[ ] [even more!] the frequency with which [it gets] emptied].....

Perhaps that^ could be the key to successfully operating, even while serving a full complement of houses in La Perla [and La Cinta and El Prado]? ... A comment and explanation from the Town Hall would be enlightening - and reassuring.

Mike in the Town Hall has told me that they are sending a tanker-lorry to empty the [extra large!] 'pozo' at the end of Avenida La Perla. Assuming that he has read the very first post in this thread [by 1dezza2], they will presumably also be sorting out the two other 'reception-pits'.

It is reasonable to infer that this will solve the problem in the short term.

... the existing system pipework cannot cope ...

...when the nasty stuff reaches the blocked end it has to go somewhere so it goes out of the manholes.

... sewerage spilling into the rambla.

[hassan]

Roger I'm surprised by your comment, re: funds spent on "concrete". You have been in office and should know that those funds come from the Diputación and have to be spent on what ever works it was approved for. Not a cement bag can be used on other projects.

You say  300 hundred families have been waiting over 18 yrs for their documentation. In all honesty, can you, hand in heart say that Seville and Madrid will ever legalize those houses, considering they were built on land they shouldn't have been in the first place?
I'm only a Tech College Graduate but I knew 20yrs ago not to buy in Spain without correct paperwork present. It was already on all the Dos in the Sun programs.

I'm sure a few here sound "smug" ( inc. me) but, for me at least, that's not the case. What I do object to is a disproportionate amount of time and money spent, using my IBI by the Ayuntamiento on someone not using due diligence. Unfortunately, sad to say, etc etc, most of those houses will NEVER be completely legal. The 18yr wait by some proves that.  As soon as a flood, quake, fire damages those houses, they can never be rebuilt. It goes back to what it was classed us. Asimilado  a Fuera de Asimilación. Exactly what it says. Accepted it's there, you can live in it, (for now) but NOT legal. Only bought by other Brits and so it goes on and on and on.
I have no answer or fixes to those involved. You need to speak to whom ever promised you the documents. The Mayor didn't, Mike the Town Hall didn't.

Mike the Town Hall,  I hope you show the Mayor the shtick you have to deal with. He might just feel sorry for you,  replying to messages in your own time on a forum regarding legal matters when it should be dealt with in the Ayuntamiento during office hours.

Elections soon, maybe we'll see a Brit Mayor in office that's willing to do time in El Acebuche and take one for the team.

Ps. I don't know Mike and have never met him but I support and admire what he does.

[Tetley]

Mike is again spreading misinformation.
He and the town hall administration clearly have no concern for the people they represent and who voted for them.

What he says has no legal basis.
If he thinks it does then publish the plans officially.
And be prepared for going to court.

According to EU and Spanish Constitution you can't have retrospective legislation.

so were did the legal within 6 months come from then Rog  when  the punters were been British pensioner   ...Spanish  planning  and administration specialist  bamboozled .....seems like only yesterday   

this is like having yer planing tarrot cards red in reverse were the punter tells "the gifted" whats happening

anyway night all ,busy day this end on wheel bearing,s and heater hoses on the 400,000k mondeo  Blues shuttle .

x








off topic  wile putting spanners away ,anybody sat wi a guvners into blues have a listen to this lad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Gt46aX9Z4

[Roger]

Mike is again spreading misinformation.
He and the town hall administration clearly have no concern for the people they represent and who voted for them.

What he says has no legal basis.
If he thinks it does then publish the plans officially.
And be prepared for going to court.

According to EU and Spanish Constitution you can't have retrospective legislation.

[Johnny73]

I'm almost with Gus on this but  stopping short of the executions.
These people who came in good faith were lied to , cheated and defrauded by everyone from the estate agents to the Solicitors to the Mayors  in the Town Halls.
Many have died in the meantime leaving an expensive mess behind for their families to deal with.
They are still being fobbed off with more promises of things to come at a cost.
The wise ones got an AFO , sold up and moved on at a loss for their sanity.
And Tetley is right , some will never get ownership fully sorted.
So much for living the dream.!! Nightmare more like.

[Tetley]

Comments from Tetley are both silly and insensitive.

300 families in Arboleas have been waiting for many years, some as long as 18 years, to get ownership documents for their homes.

Imagine the stress that these people have suffered all this time.

So far not one person has obtained an escritura using the legalisation process from the Town Hall, despite paying the Town Hall for the projects 5 years ago.

So most are using the legal route, thanks to the Junta and the action groups representing British and Spanish house owners .. the AFO.

But what are they told by the Deputy Mayor?
That this process is not sufficient (which is a lie) and that the Town Hall will levy a charge on their homes (between 10,000 and 20,000 euros) for a debt which the builder should pay.
And if the home owners do not pay the Town Hall will embargo their homes.

yes Roger and for a lot of folks  legalization is never going to happen ....ie historic land ownership & registration ,embargo's on the land and builder ect and then inheritance  of the problems .

[Roger]

Returning to the subject.

It seems that now people are being threatened that if they complain to the Environmental Agency then they and their neighbours could face serious consequences (whatever that may mean).

To be clear …

The sewage pipes were connected up by the Town Hall.

The house owners were told by the Mayor that they could connect.

People got connected and registered their connection documents with the Town Hall.

In addition ..
These houses have been issued with occupation licences by the Town Hall.

So the only door the Environmental Agency will knock on is the Town Hall.

As for the plea that the Town Hall is short of money.
Everyone can see that the Town hall is not short of money.
The problem is how it is spent.

Concrete pavements all over the place; the latest is around the Tanatoria, along a new road which was not necessary.
And the new road and massive concrete wall at the back of the “Granados” block of flats. Why was this a priority (apart from family connections)?

And the people in Los Higuerales are waiting for sewage connection when daily they pass the very expensive white elephant of the “tourist attraction” of crystal caves, where there are never any tourists.

[Roger]

Comments from Tetley are both silly and insensitive.

300 families in Arboleas have been waiting for many years, some as long as 18 years, to get ownership documents for their homes.

Imagine the stress that these people have suffered all this time.

So far not one person has obtained an escritura using the legalisation process from the Town Hall, despite paying the Town Hall for the projects 5 years ago.

So most are using the legal route, thanks to the Junta and the action groups representing British and Spanish house owners .. the AFO.

But what are they told by the Deputy Mayor?
That this process is not sufficient (which is a lie) and that the Town Hall will levy a charge on their homes (between 10,000 and 20,000 euros) for a debt which the builder should pay.
And if the home owners do not pay the Town Hall will embargo their homes.

[gus-lopez]

If every time a demolition attempt occurred the house owner executed all those involved from planning , builder, promoter, those on the machines, those protecting those on the machines, etc; etc;etc, I think that this would all have been sorted years ago. If not, we'd have far less crooks about so a win-win.

[Tetley]

[

the brits wont get a look in ,its all going to be about the PP & VOX 
as a local person said to me over the weekend ,3500 brits and 1000 spanish the brits have overtaken the village   

they all want it done without putting in any effort themselves. If they formed their own party & all voted no one else would get a look in.

Same in Mojaccar , never understood why the council was english when they are 5 to 1 over the locals?
Then as Hassan says job done.

Gus  i  dont agree because  any party still has to deal with the provincial suites  and that comes down to politics and if it goes wrong for the un witting Councillor a courtroom.....  In Arboleas we had  year,s of Brit planning expertise wonders .....( not the current 2 Councillors )  and after all the speel and bxlLocks and Anti AUAN  spouting .

here we are..... the punters are still in the same  shxt different year .....13 years on  with there sole exit EU representation now  been driving licence Hugh down the Madrid British Big House or the current British foreign secetery ....who ever that is this month 

Hypothetically say a demolition notice was issued anywhere in spain for a Brit home  .....who do you call Driving licence Hugh or some mush in the UK Flexi time  foreign office ....the brits are  Xed    wich is why folks dont want bog pipe inspectors jumping around all over the place after a local compliance complaint takes off at provincial level ......with the Salary Suites .

[gus-lopez]

[

the brits wont get a look in ,its all going to be about the PP & VOX 
as a local person said to me over the weekend ,3500 brits and 1000 spanish the brits have overtaken the village   

they all want it done without putting in any effort themselves. If they formed their own party & all voted no one else would get a look in.

Same in Mojaccar , never understood why the council was english when they are 5 to 1 over the locals?
Then as Hassan says job done.

[Tetley]

the problem is we have hundreds  300  to  500 euro a meter builds or less sat on 3e to 8e a meter ex olive groves and thats going to be a very tall order to sort and in some cases will be un sort-able which is why people now need to look at the AFO   just to get there name on the plot  providing the land owner will play ball .

also bear in mind that when some of these houses were first built and sold they started off at 35,000 english pounds and are now incredibly been sold with in complete papers for plus 150kand over 200k and at 35k in the early days the punters just wanted a cheap new house and the  paperwork would be sorted later .....as it turns out now,much later .


just out of interest from memory  in 1999/2000 £ a mountain okes house was around 35k,an Angle oller house was around 55k and a los G home was around 60k ,infact some where i have a vid of the full area with the prices  in 1999/2000 with all the property advertised in local papers ( in the stores lol ) After2001 it all whent nutts when the first new build nr me was  80k and 18 months later it was over 150k  befor they started hitting over 200k in 2004 ...

also in the early days we all bought into pxss pots and no road,s most of us were content with that ,the problem seems to be with purchases that bought into pxss pots and no roads having to wait for bog pipes and tarmac wile the council try to fund ,maintain and up date are area the size of Gurnsey with our 6 to 10ea week IBI .


el problema es que tenemos cientos de construcciones de 300 a 500 euros por metro o menos sentados en 3e a 8e por metro ex olivares y eso va a ser una tarea muy difícil de ordenar y en algunos casos no se podrá ordenar, por eso la gente ahora necesita mirar el AFO solo para obtener el nombre en la parcela, siempre que el propietario de la tierra juegue a la pelota.

también tenga en cuenta que cuando algunas de estas casas se construyeron y vendieron por primera vez, comenzaron en 35,000 libras esterlinas y ahora increíblemente se han vendido con papeles completos por más de 150k y más de 200k y a 35k en los primeros días, los apostadores solo querían un barato nueva casa y el papeleo se arreglaría más tarde... como resulta ahora, mucho más tarde.


solo por interés de la memoria en 1999/2000 £ una casa de mountain okes costaba alrededor de 35k, una casa de Angle oller costaba alrededor de 55k y una casa de los G costaba alrededor de 60k, de hecho, algunos donde tengo un video del área completa con los precios en 1999/2000 con toda la propiedad anunciada en los periódicos locales (en las tiendas jajaja) Después de 2001, todo salió mal cuando la primera construcción nueva costaba 80k y 18 meses después superaba los 150k antes de que comenzaran a superar los 200k en 2004...

Además, en los primeros días, todos compramos potes de pxss y no había camino, la mayoría de nosotros estábamos contentos con eso, el problema parece ser con las compras que compraron potes de pxss y no había caminos que tuvieran que esperar por tuberías de pantano y asfalto mientras el consejo intente financiar, mantener y actualizar un área del tamaño de Gurnsey con nuestro IBI de 6 a 10 semanas.

[Angleseyite]

Mike and Danny etc seem to me to be doing what they can and keeping the information flowing as and when they can. So keep up the good work from me anyway. 

[Johnny73]

Mike is obviously trying to be helpful with his answers to complainants on the forum but perhaps he is unwise to get involved.
The place for complaints about infrastructure etc  is at the Town Hall where faces can be matched to complainants.
When Roger was on the council he tried to answer all queries on the forum but suffered lots of abuse for his troubles. Some expats expected him to come out and deal with pot holes , overflowing bins, dogs barking etc.
Arboleas has come a long way and is way ahead of many other villages but this is rural Spain and will take many more years to get everything done.
Estates with serious problems should elect a representative to arrange to visit Mike Danny  and others in the TH and air their grievences  .
In the meantime relax a little and enjoy the benefits of rural , slightly backward Spain. Salud.💃😉🍷

[Tetley]

[quote author=Tetley link=topic=138055.msg780022#msg780022 date=16681106

Im just pleased i struggle with English 


and i agree  ref  our Brit councilors,  the punters just want somebody to shout at .....wile the punter has little or no understanding of the administrative Spanish system they have invested into and the  constraints the  local government team has to work within ......

anyway its Jim Jams,Wooly hat and  guvners & netflix time for me

Night all x


 

I was in a bar when I typed that and realized  that it affected the taste of my Estrella Lite  so I deleted it.

Tetley, would you consider working for the Ayuntamiento please. Things would get sorted quicky  the Northern way and Mike the Town Hall could get a well deserved rest, heal the welts on his back and maybe, just maybe, come back fresher although I doubt the Ayuntamiento pays him enough for the stuff he has to put up with on this forum.  Guten Nacht. X
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the thing is reading you back posts your probably a well experienced local old hand like me and will know that the provincial city center government suites  are a world away from local government which can make an up hill struggle on the administration compliance front for any village or town then ad a political mix of different party's with different agendas  and political axes to grind and it gets even more complicated.

people say to me.....I have just been in the town hall and  talked to a councilor  but X all gets done .....but what do they expect ,a councilor cannot majic up a land owner to pay for infrastructure or get the land owner to the notary to sign up on a land transfer so its all very very complicated and the village folks are already pxssed off about money been spent on wealthy  non spanish estates so our council team cannot really win.

anyway lets see what happens in May 2023 and how many Brits manage to register to vote ,in the national Elections VOX came second in Arboleas ,so it should be an interesting contest  in the local elections with reduced Brit voting numbers and A new local re organized PP Team .



and back on subject of the shxt pipes ,local residents should think very hard about contacting the" Almeria provincial suites" if they are not in possession of a full set of currently compliant  paperwork for there homes  and ending up with a couple of" Salary suites" on a local mission and the complications that could follow there after ......

the other thing is for anybody leaving a few grand to the kids ,just do the AFO  if the land owner will play ball ie fit the septic tank and get the plot into your names to make it easier  for the inheritors .

[felipe]

The vast majority of forum users fully support and are grateful to Mike for his regular reports on what is going on in the area.

[hassan]

[quote author=Tetley link=topic=138055.msg780022#msg780022 date=16681106

Im just pleased i struggle with English 


and i agree  ref  our Brit councilors,  the punters just want somebody to shout at .....wile the punter has little or no understanding of the administrative Spanish system they have invested into and the  constraints the  local government team has to work within ......

anyway its Jim Jams,Wooly hat and  guvners & netflix time for me

Night all x


 
[/quote]

I was in a bar when I typed that and realized  that it affected the taste of my Estrella Lite  so I deleted it.

Tetley, would you consider working for the Ayuntamiento please. Things would get sorted quicky  the Northern way and Mike the Town Hall could get a well deserved rest, heal the welts on his back and maybe, just maybe, come back fresher although I doubt the Ayuntamiento pays him enough for the stuff he has to put up with on this forum.  Guten Nacht. X

[Tetley]

Lol. I refrained from clicking send a couple of weeks ago because it's like talking to pork. I wish I did because I ended it by saying that Arboleas should be grateful that they have an English speaking councillor willing to deal with self inflicted problems in their own native language. By the sounds of it Mike the Town Hall will be thinking about enjoying his time next year drinking cold beer and watching Netflix. Can't say I blame him.

Tetley, your translation is not quite correct. It would get deleted if it was! 

Im just pleased i struggle with English 


and i agree  ref  our Brit councilors,  the punters just want somebody to shout at .....wile the punter has little or no understanding of the administrative Spanish system they have invested into and the  constraints the  local government team has to work within ......

anyway its Jim Jams,Wooly hat and  guvners & netflix time for me

Night all x

 

[hassan]

Deleted it. Can't be bothered. 

[Johnny73]

Trop de merce , methinks.