Potential loss of millions of fruit trees

[felipe]

I have debated with decency, put forward evidence to support my argument, asked for similar from Macc and sssa and all they do is throw insults. Perhaps that is the way they prefer to debate, via insults instead of sensible debate. I have not eradicated anything. Prey tell me where in this thread.

[gus-lopez]

This could have a devastating affect on our region if it happens. The whole ecosystem could change into a desert similar to that over in Tabernas. When driving around we see alll these trees and the fruit they produce but never think about what would happen if they all died off.

They remove CO2 from the air and provide us with oxygen. Thus the nice clean air we breath here.
They stabilise the land by self-generating a top soil full of nutrients rather than the fine dusty soil that many of us have in our gardens.
This many trees help retain our reasonably stable climate through evapotranspiration. This is where the leaves of a tree release water though the leaves to keep the tree cool. This also keeps the surrounding air cooler and a stable climate.
Remove the trees and you get the commencement of desertification. Imagine all the land past Los Carrascos to the motorway being sandy soil instead of the lush green appearance from the fruit trees.
The impact would be felt most by the farmers losing their crops, their livelihoods and possibly their homes.
And do not forget that we would end up having to import all our fruit which then drive up prices.

Article of the topic is here.

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0.15/news/on-euro-weekly-news/costa-de-almeria/145745-almeria-province-on-verge-of-major-catastrophe?utm_source=newsletter_10723&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ewn-alerts

Trouble is they haven't helped themselves by clearing & planting huge amounts of mango's & avocado's, many of which require 2000Litres of water per week from setting until picked. Multiply that by the number of trees & there's no hope.

[zilnor]

macc.
Do you think that issuing personal insults is fine in a discussion ? That is not the way I was brought up.

There is never any excuse for bad manners. As I have previously said , if you resort to personal insults you have lost the debate. The way this thread has deteriorated has nothing to do differences of opinion but everything to do with one person being  offensive towards Felipe  and myself.

The last post of sssa contained an unsavoury and offensive suggestion. I am not at all surprised that Felipe has banned this person.

[casablanca]

I have not entered this debate due to the fact that I know little or nothing of the issues it raises. But, when I see such unnecessary and uncalled for abuse being handed out to folk like Zilnor and Phil I despair of the behaviour I see from some of my fellow "human beings".
Phil, you have in my view reacted in the correct way, my old feller used to say never argue with an idiot as they will eventually get you down to their level and beat you with experience.
I don't know much about these characters so I apologise if they are not idiots and if in fact they are not then why act like one? Just my opinion of course.  :beer:

[macc]

Well, what can i say filipe, the usual result. :bravo_2: If you don't like it, lock it, or in this case, the power to eradicate is simpler. Zilnor, or should i say lady Liz, never really debates, she just agrees with certain people all the time, and pops a clap head on, bring melee back, that's what i say. How can anybody learn anything if nobody disagrees. We seldom if ever learn anything from someone with whom we always agree. You could say sssa was over the top, but people that debate on here don't have your privilege felipe. You are undebatable it would seem. Here's one LADY LIZ will love, and maybe Felipe. Have a listen to this guy, an absolute raving lunatic  :hee20hee20hee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMeXSlGJZYc

[zilnor]

Felipe,
I feel sorry for this person. I rather think he/she has mental health problems ! Their last post made me laugh, rather than feel annoyed.

Don't worry about it. There is a always one !  :72:

[felipe]

He is now banned for such  vile comments. Everyone knows Zilnor is called Liz and is a lady.

[solarsolutionsalmeria]

all i can say to that is dont you both realise how stupid you come across due to the lack of (especially in your case ZILNOR) the ability to debate anything that doesnt "fit in" with your points of view and on the face of it,as you seem to be so in "bed with each other" , it makes me wonder if you are actually gay lovers ( and dont say that this is an insult as im" politically correct" therefore there is nothing wrong with being gay)

according to the "enlightened felipe who owns a governmemt piece of paper with his name on it ,stating that he succesfully passed a government propoganda training program to regurgetate propoganda" regarding AGENDA21 being a humanitarian attempt to curb the excesses of the western world to the detrement of the third world and therefore help "build up" thirld world nations,if this was true then there wouldnt be an increase of 15% malnutrition and starvation in the last decade as VERY recently reported by said loving and caring Government sponsered media.explain that one felipe

i have NOT INSULTED anyone on this post
apart from your both obviously inflated MASSIVE EGO´S

[zilnor]

Felipe
:clap: :clap:

[felipe]

My thoughts too zilnor which is why I refuse to answer his questions. I will not be insulted and expected to answer questions. This is typical of many people living here that cannot debate, they go on the offensive and throw insults around. They simply cannot debate sensibly. They continually read things into posts that are not there. They refuse to acknowledge evidence, visit links provided and say show me proof.
I refuse to debate with such people any more.

[zilnor]

sssa.

When you insult other people  you have  lost the debate.

[zilnor]

Your lack of skill in grammar, punctuation, spelling, sentence and paragraph structure sometimes makes it difficult to understand what you are actually trying to say.

Whatever it is, it does not interest me.

[solarsolutionsalmeria]

ZILNOR.........
you have demonstrated in this post that at best you have half a brain.
what do you honestly think you are acheiving by posting links to reptilian conspiracy theories?
are you saying that you believe in them or is it a sad attempt to show how stupid you really are?
come on debate me too fool

[solarsolutionsalmeria]

im still waiting felipe...proof and due diligent discussion please, to explain (or refute  my hypothosis) that you have all the answers to prove you are right and im talking BS which  so far, according to your replies you are very much lacking in a factual response and obvious reluctance to have an intellectual and evenly balanced response in terms of offering proof to back up your ideological claims.
could this possibly be because you are wrong?

perhaps a re-analasys on your part of your agenda 21 interpretation might be a worthwile consideration and indeed if you can be bothered to do so,so that could be a pre cursor to invite further discussion on a positive level to help expand the knowledge and curiosity of forum followers that might not be so aware of the "reality" that we have different opinons  regarding AGENDA 21(indeed if they even know it exists,and what the hell we are talking about) and its  TRUE INTERPRETACION,and not just your self opinionated political bias ,which obviously you have a hard time relating to the possible fact that you also were lied to when the government lovingly gave you your reward piece of paper claiming you are intellectually superior to the rest of us on this matter,and that i might actually have some evidence contrary let alone have the nerve to debate you on it and provide quantative and irrefutible evidence to support my side of the argument.

what say you?


zilnor....

[solarsolutionsalmeria]

all you have done throughout this post is push your personal political agenda which is is clearly in a general term a globalist one ,copy and post your favourite doctrines from your "masters" and tried to convince us that this is proof that im a total **** therefore not worth listening too.

i have provided links to various different media sources and outlets based on my original post as to sharing your "apparent" concern over the lack of water in this region of which based on an easily workable time line you obviously have denied to self educate yourself with ,which is easily decipherable from your repilies to me and the post times etc.

so step up, be a man and provide all the followers of this post with evidence to back up your claims that governments ,the UN, and your favourite hobby horse "agenda 21" all have our interests and well being at heart and that they will be our saviours

[solarsolutionsalmeria]

Yeah looked it up myself. I forgot the CIA were paying me hundreds of thousands of dollars to argue the anti conspiracy theory on an expat forum. Maybe that is because I have my own point of view, just like those that believe in conspiracy. Only difference is that I do not throw insults around and prefer to use factual evidence to back up my views.

well like i did for you by providing s substantiallly fact based link including parlamentary and US senate hearing documents on part of this discussion here, namely chem trails do you have los cojones to provide me with the self `roclaimed factual links to back up your european claims from your quote?

[zilnor]

Tetley,

David Icke, now there's an interesting name from the past !  :57:
He spoke as much sense as some folks on here  :a102:  :57:

[Tetley]

Hola,

Time for bed......said Zeberdee........zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

L L.

[lord lucan]

Hola,

Time for bed......said Zeberdee........zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

L L.

[Tetley]

The Bit i dont understand...is how come the Lizards is supposed to be running the world.....all ive had in the shed this year is 3 gekos....and they probably dont even drive  ......


wi could do wi David Ike on here Phil,if yer can Email him though......mebee lighten the job up a bit   :sign0096:    :welcome:


morning mi EU Luvlies   :039: x

[felipe]

Are you not reading my posts now? Or ignoring them because they have proved you wrong? Accusing me once again of not being up-to-date. How easy it is to only read what one wants to read and ignore the rest.

[macc]

Flat earthers, exactly the same as people that believe in religion, Does the bible refer to the earth as being flat?????? Google is good Twojays, check it out.   :051bye:  Here is a little info, or explanation on agenda 21 for those who never heard of it, or don't understand it, like Phil, not up to date, but have a listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ykELwj1Ta8&t=3606s 

[twojaysalmeria]

Change of subject (slightly...)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/20/flat-earth-believers-youtube-videos-conspiracy-theorists

J

[felipe]

Yeah looked it up myself. I forgot the CIA were paying me hundreds of thousands of dollars to argue the anti conspiracy theory on an expat forum. Maybe that is because I have my own point of view, just like those that believe in conspiracy. Only difference is that I do not throw insults around and prefer to use factual evidence to back up my views.

[lmj52]

What is a paid shill?

Well google will tell you. So what do they reckon you are doing and why, makes me laugh.

[felipe]

What is a paid shill?

[solarsolutionsalmeria]

FELIPE


sorry to say so but you are a paid shill

i require ALL the monthly facturas for advertising on this site with the IVA over the last 3 years
im being nice

[lmj52]

Wow this thread is like something that John Le Carre would write. Entertaining but not that good.  :73:

[byrney]

sssa - wow!

[solarsolutionsalmeria]

FELIPE

my opion is based on the deliberate lack of response to my question about your political leanings.

you seem to be a paid shill
who is paying you?

i can recomend an expert deprogramer if you are prepared to reveal your "handler"

[Tetley]

Steady on Ang im enjoying reading the spelin  & grammer between strimmin   

[Angleseyite]

Felipe,
I think you're wasting your time, leave them to believe in these conspiracy theories, it gives them something to focus on :sign0065:

[felipe]

The UN implemented agenda21 following the Rio Summit. Hence my reference to the UN.

I am at a loss to how you come to the conclusion that Chapter 7 is about depopulation. It is all about the opposite. It seeks to aid the development of populations by various means of support. You need to read my posts more clearly. I actually referred to Agenda30, used a quote from it and linked to the new goals so I AM up to date and not living in the past.

I now repeat "As yet not one person that believes in this conspiracy has provided any evidence or example of where Agenda21 is causing people to move off their land." Add to this any evidence that Agenda30 has impacted.

Having now researched chem trails it abundantly clear that it is simply a conspiracy theory. It has been proved as such time and again by scientists, academics and the like. Yet the believers refuse to acknowledge their findings. They have used false readings on chemical in the atmosphere to support their theory, used video of passenger liners jettisoning fuel during an emergency landing as proof of chemtrailing.

All the claims about agenda21 and now 30, plus the chemtrails have not been proven in any way.

The UN have NOT blocked access to the chapter 7. The have simply removed all individual chapters as posted on the website. They have instead provided the full 300+ page of Agenda21 as a pdf file ON THEIR WEBSITE. https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf  This is the trouble with conspiracy theorists, they find something like this that has been changed and use words like ´blocked´ instead of giving a full truthful explanation.

This is a Section from Agenda21 chapter 7.7.4. (The new goals are similar but more extensive. see my link above)

The overall human settlement objective is to improve the social, economic and environmental quality
of human settlements and the living and working environments of all people, in particular the urban
and rural poor. Such improvement should be based on technical cooperation activities, partnerships
among the public, private and community sectors and participation in the decision-making process by
community groups and special interest groups such as women, indigenous people, the elderly and the
disabled. These approaches should form the core principles of national settlement strategies. In
developing these strategies, countries will need to set priorities among the eight programme areas in
this chapter in accordance with their national plans and objectives, taking fully into account their
social and cultural capabilities. Furthermore, countries should make appropriate provision to monitor
the impact of their strategies on marginalized and disenfranchised groups, with particular reference to
the needs of women.
7.5.The programme areas included in this chapter are:
a.Providing adequate shelter for all;
b.Improving human settlement management;
c.Promoting sustainable land-use planning and management;
d.Promoting the integrated provision of environmental infrastructure: water, sanitation, drainage and solid-waste management;
e.Promoting sustainable energy and transport systems in human settlements;
f.Promoting human settlement planning and management in disaster-prone areas;
g.Promoting sustainable construction industry activities;
h.Promoting human resource development and capacity-building for human settlement development.

As to my political leanings that is for me to know not you. But I am a European as well as a proud Englishman.

[macc]

Read chapter 7 of Agenda 21, but according to you Felipe, you already have. You could find it here before, https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/agenda21/res_agenda21_07.shtml  on there own website, but they have blocked it now. It can still be found. Do the google. It's all about human settlements, and if you were up to date you would know since the new Goals and targets that come into effect on 1 January 2016 completely changes the non-binding UN agreement agreement. Now the the Agenda is to be implemented in a manner that is consistent with the rights and obligations of states under international law. New ball game altogether. Read your post, it is all in the past, you were talking agenda 21 from 25 years ago. Things have changed since you and i went to school.

[solarsolutionsalmeria]

FELIPE

why have you suddenly bought the UN into the discussion,are they part of the agenda 21 program??
what revelance does that have to your original post?
i notice that your avatar is "im a european and proud of it"
would you object to me asking you if your politacal leanings are more towards federalism/socialism/communism?
a yes or no wll suiffice