Just wanted to say how sorry we are to see that the adelante gym run by Stacey for the kids is closing at the end of October, quite shocked because we thought that had all been sorted. All the best Stacey wherever you move to hopefully you will get sorted soon so the kids dont lose this wonderful facility.
Words fail me :banghead:
Is this definite.???
Without mentioning things that went on recently its sad to see the way things are going in both arboleas and albox.
The old ways are back with a bang. As i said months ago self interests and self preservation and total power for a couple of people seem to be the order of the day.
i thought a post from the town hall said that Staceys problems had been sorted but maybe she had enough .
anyway the best of luck Stacey in whatever and wherever you go onto next.
It is with sad news it is shutting .a big round of applause to the town hall and others for f-----g it up .stacey and her team ,friends and family will see her continue the great work she does but somewhere else .good luck Stacey .
When I lived near Partaloa, I regularly used to have chats with two lovely elderly Spanish couples. They referred to Mayors in general, : " they think they are Kings in their own kingdom, and do as they like " . Always said with a shrug of their shoulders and a " that's life" attitude.
Yes Stacey has had enough.
I thought that we had sorted out a contract, but the Mayor imposed impossible conditions which will make it impossible for it to continue in Arboleas.
The basic condition is that Arboleas kids must not mix with kids from other towns.
As a result it is impossible to cater for the 41 Arboleas kids who are currently enjoying gymnastics in Arboleas.
Good luck to Stacey who will flourish away from Arboleas.
I know that she regrets that the children of Arboleas will suffer but she has to concentrate on her own sanity, which was affecting her children.
What people have to look at is the big picture.
This was bringing a professional gymnastics facility to Arboleas, giving local children the opportunity to develop their confidence and for some to advance to a high level.
It was also offering an activity every evening which brought together Spanish and British parents and children.
Without this sort of activity Arboleas will be on a downward spiral.
What is there to keep the young Spanish in Arboleas?
Yes houses are being sold rapidly, but mainly to second home owners.
With Innovation 14 many long term residents will soon be leaving, selling mainly to second home owners.
And with Brexit this trend will continue because it will become impossible to be a permanent 5 year resident.
I estimate that the number of habitual residents in Arboleas is around 2500. Arboleas is likely to become holiday homes for tourists.
Concrete pavements do not a community make.
Hopefully Stacey will have approached Zurgena Council who, I suspect, will be far more tolerant than, seemingly, the current Arboleas administration.
So if Stacey was able to move elsewhere how will the Mayor stop Arboleas kids going and mixing with other village kids.Beggars belief .Why are the Town Hall going backwards instead of forwards.
Because they've lost Roger?
Sounds very strange...
Roger/Stacey/ TH: Could you clarify a bit? If TH are providing premises, material and salary, I find it reasonable to 'prioritize' Arboleas kids. Did the new contract make Stacey become self-employed or something like that, or were the TH now charging for using a municipal building? There must be more to it than 'not letting Arboleas kids mix'.
Re other issues: you sound extremely negative about the future of Arboleas Roger...after all you and your team's hard work 😓
I don't know the full story etc but all the equipment belongs to Stacey .the TH payed for a certain number of hours to teach the arboleas kids anything on top you had to pay for .
The proposal was for Stacey to rent the room, paying a rent to the Town Hall, and also to have a separate contract to teach Arboleas children, paid for by the Town Hall.
The legal secretary prepared this option which I presented to the meeting but the Mayor rejected it.
No reason given.
He was adamant that Stacey could teach Arboleas children, and be paid for doing so, with a consideration of the fact that they would be using the very expensive equipment which is the property of Stacey's club, and that she could also rent the room for her private classes.
The problem was that he was specific that the Arboleas children could not mix with the children who were from other areas (and therefore paying).
This makes absolutely no sense.
Sophias have clients from Arboleas and outside Arboleas using a subsidized public building.
Also the Town Hall subsidized Spanish classes include students from Arboleas and outside Arboleas, mixed in the same class in a public building.
However a Mayor does not have to give a reason.
Nor apparently does he have to do basic maths.
Stacey was contracted to work 6 hours a week, providing 2 hours a week to each Arboleas child.
A class has a legal maximum of 10.
There are 41 Arboleas children.
You do the maths!
It worked before because Stacey could absorb the more advanced Arboleas children into her private classes where there was some space.
Then the Mayor, under pressure from 2 parents said she could ignore the contract for these 2 parents.
But she had already been attacked by the Mayor on her facebook page for not keeping to her original contract (which on that occasion her lawyer stated was not true, but no retraction from the Mayor).
In short,
She is fed up with Arboleas Town Hall.
And I feel angry that I spent a year with Stacey getting this activity in Arboleas, because I could see that it is a great thing for Arboleas.
By the way, it is not just me negative about Arboleas because we cannot see that there is a project to move forward post Brexit, given that the master plan for Arboleas in 2000 depended on a continual flow of UK residents.
I estimate that there are around 2500 habitual residents in Arboleas (the technical Spanish Government term to be on the Padron) whereas there are 4800 on the Arboleas Padron.
Does that not raise issues which need to be addressed?
Languagesolutions, i live in arboleas and i am very negative about its future watching what has been happening recently.
my understanding having met many spanish people locally that they love their children and all children for that matter.
ive said before i find it hard to believe that the mayor doesent want children from outside mixing even though it seems tthere is plenty of room for all. Its a joy to watch kids of all ages in the evenings at the gym and using the tennis courts all mixing happily.
and yes it would appear there is something else at play here but i dont suppose the th will put it on the forum.
its going to be a very quiet place up there now and even less business for the pool bar , whats next to go ??
Have a happy weekend all.
Anyway I know Stacey feels very sad that she cannot continue to offer such a great opportunity for the children of Arboleas.
Over the past year she has built up such a strong group, after being told by the Mayor that there would be very little interest.
She would not be leaving if she had not been placed in an impossible situation.
It is down to the attitude of Arboleas Town Hall because I know Stacey has tried very hard to make it work, and I have had a lot of discussions with her.
I know that the parents in her club will work with her in her new location to ensure that she prospers,
and I know that those Arboleas parents who can pay will follow her to wherever she goes.
But as usual in life it will be the children from the more deprived families in Arboleas who will suffer.
Would be interesting to hear about th excluding non residents, is it about one village taking the Pish over another? Or otherwise? Spanish culture is not easy to decipher on many levels. With few explanations. Like shooting plastic ducks on the Pier. You lose. No cigar. Thanks for your money.
Build a resource and charge a premium to non residents. Simples. Coin it in. Not shut the future down.
Lots of non residents rave about Staceys Club. I guess because nobody else has achieved it. There's nothing there for young families, apart from Staceys. Arboleas would strangle the goose laying golden eggs for dinner. It seems. The th doesn't set out it's stall very well. It presents as the rotten veg stall. IMHO. Sorry but that is how I see it.
How long do you give it before her room is used by another local business? Something really does smell with all of this. Good luck to Stacey I hope that she finds somewhere in Arboleas to carry on her great work for locals. The unfortunate things is the Arboleas kids will have to start paying as they were getting it free before. Unless of course another kids gym miraculously appears in the vacated room.
Perhaps danny or one of the others who posted from the town hall recently in relation to Roger could let the people that they represent know what is going on here.
that would end speculation and the gossip now doing the rounds.
Stacey's departure will be an enormous loss to the village of Arboleas - one which could easily have been avoided, it seems. It goes without saying that we wish her all the very best elsewhere.
Quote from: Roger on October 07, 2017, 17:54:34 PM
The proposal was for Stacey to rent the room, paying a rent to the Town Hall, and also to have a separate contract to teach Arboleas children, paid for by the Town Hall.
The legal secretary prepared this option which I presented to the meeting but the Mayor rejected it.
No reason given.
He was adamant that Stacey could teach Arboleas children, and be paid for doing so, with a consideration of the fact that they would be using the very expensive equipment which is the property of Stacey's club, and that she could also rent the room for her private classes.
The problem was that he was specific that the Arboleas children could not mix with the children who were from other areas (and therefore paying).
This makes absolutely no sense.
Sophias have clients from Arboleas and outside Arboleas using a subsidized public building.
Also the Town Hall subsidized Spanish classes include students from Arboleas and outside Arboleas, mixed in the same class in a public building.
However a Mayor does not have to give a reason.
Nor apparently does he have to do basic maths.
Stacey was contracted to work 6 hours a week, providing 2 hours a week to each Arboleas child.
A class has a legal maximum of 10.
There are 41 Arboleas children.
You do the maths!
It worked before because Stacey could absorb the more advanced Arboleas children into her private classes where there was some space.
Then the Mayor, under pressure from 2 parents said she could ignore the contract for these 2 parents.
But she had already been attacked by the Mayor on her facebook page for not keeping to her original contract (which on that occasion her lawyer stated was not true, but no retraction from the Mayor).
In short,
She is fed up with Arboleas Town Hall.
And I feel angry that I spent a year with Stacey getting this activity in Arboleas, because I could see that it is a great thing for Arboleas.
By the way, it is not just me negative about Arboleas because we cannot see that there is a project to move forward post Brexit, given that the master plan for Arboleas in 2000 depended on a continual flow of UK residents.
I estimate that there are around 2500 habitual residents in Arboleas (the technical Spanish Government term to be on the Padron) whereas there are 4800 on the Arboleas Padron.
Does that not raise issues which need to be addressed?
Now, I'm going to talk from a business point of view. Personally, I don't know Stacey very well, but she has always seemed very friendly and professional. I was going to take my little one to her this year, but with all this palava and Estrella's siesta time, we couldn't do it.
So, back to business... I heard (or read) she was receiving 800€ to teach Arboleas kids (41); is that right? Now, I have never had my business classes subsidized by the TH, but that sounds like brilliant support; just 'autónomo' is now almost 300€.
I don't think Sophia or the bar, for example, receive a salary from the TH; and as far as I know, other THs just pay a salary for classes taught. So Arboleas TH were offering salary + private use...honestly, tell me examples of THs that do that; I might try and get it for my business lol.
Obviously there have been disagreements; but from a business point of view, with a TH salary as a base, you sort that out somehow.
If, as it seems, Stacey won't carry on, I don't see it as just the TH's fault; just like Roger's resignation...it's business. Good luck to Roger and good luck to Stacey and I hope the TH get someone else in. It's not the end of Arboleas' future, it's business 😉
800€ a month minus 300 for being LEGAL..minus fuel to get there for the month at least 100.. plus any other expenses.
Trying to live off about 300/350..
Cannot be done!
I understand all the equipment belongs to stacey so thats a massive expense to add to previous posters list and also for language solutions to add to his profit and loss account.
this is about the kids of the area first then business.
obviously the TH dont quite see it that way.
Quote from: mylo83 on October 08, 2017, 18:13:50 PM
800€ a month minus 300 for being LEGAL..minus fuel to get there for the month at least 100.. plus any other expenses.
Trying to live off about 300/350..
Cannot be done!
That's what 99%? of small businesses have to deal with.
Having 800€ in your pocket before you even start and no rent/electric,... to pay for is more than a good start. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that Arboleas TH will do that for a local business.
The 800€ covers a lot of expenses, you then make your money out of the other members.
It is a known fact that in Spain, to make 1000€ a month being autónomo you need to be earning 3 times more. If you're on contract, receiving 800€ and don't pay rent, you're on a winner ✌️
Also, don't forget that if you are on contract, the TH is paying your social security (40% of your 800€ salary)...I think I'm going to pop in and see if I can get that for my business 😜
There are a loy of assumptions going on here about what Stacy get or does not get. I think it time to leave well alone in these assumptions. Neither the TH nor Stacy have said what she is receiving, if anything.
What Ben Bamford has stated (obvioiusly as a spin on behalf of the Town Hall) is rubbish).
There was an agreement on the table which was fair to both sides and approved by the legal secretary, but rejected by the Mayor.
It would have agreed a reasonable fee for teaching Arboleas kids, taking into account the hire of all the equipment from Stacey's club
and for Stacey to rent the room for her private lessons, the rent to take account of water and electric costs.
There has never been any suggestion that the TH would pay Social Security or any other costs.
Social Security, insurance, cost of equipment, extra staff costs, cleaning etc was sll down to Stacey.
This could have continued as it had for the past `12 months if the Town Hall had been sensible.
Remember all this started when she was caleld in to the TH by thhe police and given notive to quit by 30th Sept with no explanation, and the British councillors were not informed.
Then the Mayor published on Stacey's facebook page that she had broken her contract, which her lawyer has confirmed is not true.
Quote from: Roger on October 09, 2017, 09:14:16 AM
What Ben Bamford has stated (obvioiusly as a spin on behalf of the Town Hall) is rubbish).
There was an agreement on the table which was fair to both sides and approved by the legal secretary, but rejected by the Mayor.
It would have agreed a reasonable fee for teaching Arboleas kids, taking into account the hire of all the equipment from Stacey's club
and for Stacey to rent the room for her private lessons, the rent to take account of water and electric costs.
There has never been any suggestion that the TH would pay Social Security or any other costs.
Social Security, insurance, cost of equipment, extra staff costs, cleaning etc was sll down to Stacey.
This could have continued as it had for the past `12 months if the Town Hall had been sensible.
Remember all this started when she was caleld in to the TH by thhe police and given notive to quit by 30th Sept with no explanation, and the British councillors were not informed.
Then the Mayor published on Stacey's facebook page that she had broken her contract, which her lawyer has confirmed is not true.
Hi Roger,
What I debate on the forum has to do with what I read and hear on both sides of the fence. I am not writing on behalf of the TH, or Sophia, or Stacey,... I write what I think and ask questions.
I am very grateful for your replies, and would appreciate more input from the TH, but I don't think it's fair just to have your biased opinion slating the TH for every decision they make.
The way I see it (I have no official info from the TH and I always ask for clarification, read my posts) is that the TH and Stacey haven't reached an agreement...it's business and it's not the end of the world. I have a neutral relationship with both parties and would love for Stacey to be successful whatever she decides to do...ask her yourself ;)
If you wish to continue debating then please publish facts and figures, so we can get the full picture. If not, leave things be. Business is business :)
Wow, language solutions, you are like a dog with a bone, you just wont let go will you.
staceys business dealings and salary are between her and the th. I dont think you should bandy figures about without no definite inside knowledge. Listening to gossip on both sides of the fence is the same as asking the guy in the local pub.
We only have rogers side of things as there is no way you will get the th version on here.
Its time to leave it as the Mayor has decided and thats the end of the matter.
i just feel sorry for the young people with nothing to do.
Ben - to get a wider picture, take a detailed look at Stacey's personal FaceBook page (going back to September 14th), and also read the posts on the "Adelante Gimnasia Artistica Arboleas" FaceBook site. She writes, for example: "Thank you, it's so sad, but it was an impossible situation and [with] what was written about me, I feel it will be better if we were able to move to a new place". In addition, there are various other 'Forum' sites discussing this matter.... It does sound as if she is absolutely "at her wits' end".
Quote from: raysun on October 09, 2017, 11:28:24 AM
Wow, language solutions, you are like a dog with a bone, you just wont let go will you.
staceys business dealings and salary are between her and the th. I dont think you should bandy figures about without no definite inside knowledge. Listening to gossip on both sides of the fence is the same as asking the guy in the local pub.
We only have rogers side of things as there is no way you will get the th version on here.
Its time to leave it as the Mayor has decided and thats the end of the matter.
i just feel sorry for the young people with nothing to do.
I may be the only one willing to let things go...please read my posts if you would like to debate. As I said, business is business; Stacey has decided to move on... good luck 😉
Now, why Roger and other people including yourself feel it's necessary to make everything a biased issue is beyond me.
I give my objective opinion and have no intention of causing issues ✌️
This will be my last post ion this subject, but I feel I should explain why this whole issue gets me very angry.
I worked closely with the Mayor in 2011, and without my contribution I think the result would have been different.
We had an agreement:- everything would be transparent and we would discuss everything.
Of course I have accepted in the past 6 years that I have not been consulted about everything, in particular contracts signed without my knowledge, some to provide work for family members.
But I kept my sights on the bigger picture.
I arranged for the computer workshop to have a room in the nave, all discussed and agreed with the Mayor.
I arranged for Stacey to expand her gymnastics in Arboleas, months of work, all discussed with the Mayor and all with his agreement.
I did this because in my opinion it is the way Arboleas should expand, to be the centre of regional activities, and of course because both these activities was of great benefit to the local community.
I found out that Stacey had been given notice to quit by a text message from a friend of a friend.
I found out that the computer workshop had been evicted when I read it on the forum.
IS THIS ANY WAY TO TREAT A COLLEAGUE?
And when I tried to contact him to discuss this I got no reply.
Arrogant and autocratic are just two words that come to mind.
Anyway I am moving on, as is Stacey, and I hope is the computer workshop (although I was sad to have in effect a thank you and farewell call from David Shear who I worked with to get them in the room, and who is very ill).
:cry: oh dear. Power corrupts and all that. How sad.
Quote from: Roger on October 09, 2017, 13:02:06 PM
This will be my last post ion this subject, but I feel I should explain why this whole issue gets me very angry.
I worked closely with the Mayor in 2011, and without my contribution I think the result would have been different.
We had an agreement:- everything would be transparent and we would discuss everything.
Of course I have accepted in the past 6 years that I have not been consulted about everything, in particular contracts signed without my knowledge, some to provide work for family members.
But I kept my sights on the bigger picture.
I arranged for the computer workshop to have a room in the nave, all discussed and agreed with the Mayor.
I arranged for Stacey to expand her gymnastics in Arboleas, months of work, all discussed with the Mayor and all with his agreement.
I did this because in my opinion it is the way Arboleas should expand, to be the centre of regional activities, and of course because both these activities was of great benefit to the local community.
I found out that Stacey had been given notice to quit by a text message from a friend of a friend.
I found out that the computer workshop had been evicted when I read it on the forum.
IS THIS ANY WAY TO TREAT A COLLEAGUE?
And when I tried to contact him to discuss this I got no reply.
Arrogant and autocratic are just two words that come to mind.
Anyway I am moving on, as is Stacey, and I hope is the computer workshop (although I was sad to have in effect a thank you and farewell call from David Shear who I worked with to get them in the room, and who is very ill).
Thanks for your honesty Roger.
I think your contribution to Arboleas has been second to none and I still think you should be part of the TH.
What I don't think is fair is you slating the TH without giving the whole picture. You give your particular version and have a go at them just with the facts you decide to give.
You talk about transparency, but avoid questions that you don't like.
I'm not an expert on local politics, but you were a TEAM. You say you found out about a lot of things by sms or people you know; what I don't understand is why you weren't talking to your TEAM, were you not at the 'juntas'? I honestly don't get it. Or were you expelled from the juntas?...
Have you ever told Cristóbal and the team about what you think of them or do you just put it on a public forum? Even if your decision is final, don't you think that you should try and be neutral instead of criticizing or at least bury the hatchet?
All your hard work TOGETHER to end up like this?
Hablando se entiende la gente ✌️
Unless the townhall gives their version I for one will take Roger's. What has he got to gain from telling lies? After all isn't this Mayor the same guy who was in charge when we first bought our properties in 2004. Why hasn't he responded to Roger's words and accusations?
Good luck to everyone trying to move on from this mess, Arboleas could have been the centre of excellence for gymnastics and the computer charity work instead somewhere else will now have these services.
And as for the email sent by Sophia's what a fairy story!!!
No lies, just he gives his opinion without telling us all the facts. That makes the information incomplete and biased 😉.
Arboleas could still keep the gymnastics club; fingers crossed Stacey will find somewhere here. Don't know if the TH want to find someone else...
And the TH seem to be working just like before...don't see where all this negativity is coming from and why.
Business is business and life goes on...onwards and upwards 😊
Tandas , i have to agree with everything you say but it does seem that the town hall have a new spokesman as im sure will be seen in a post very shortly.
Quote from: languagesolutions on October 09, 2017, 18:35:05 PM
No lies, just he gives his opinion without telling us all the facts. That makes the information incomplete and biased 😉.
Arboleas could still keep the gymnastics club; fingers crossed Stacey will find somewhere here. Don't know if the TH want to find someone else...
And the TH seem to be working just like before...don't see where all this negativity is coming from and why.
Business is business and life goes on...onwards and upwards 😊
Will you please stop with the "Business is Business", The only people to lose out are the KID'S lets not forget this eh!
Come on, Ben, 'Business is business' is just usually a cover for exploitation, isn't it. That is not to imply that you business is exploitative in any way - just an observation. One sure theng, we can no longer aspire to speak of democracy in the Town Hall administration when we see how the Deputy Mayor has been sidelined. Ah well, back to government by dictat.
Sorry 😐 It's just my natural way of thinking.
**** happens, but life continues. Hopefully, Stacey will find a new place very soon; then whoever wants to can sign up. Obviously, we will have to pay, but again, that's business. A year's gymnastics free of charge, thanks to the TH and now we need to support a local business.
The kids won't miss out, the future won't be doomed as Roger keeps saying...All positive 😊
Worse case scenario: we'll have to take our kids to wherever Stacey goes or sign up at another club...
Quote from: NorrieM on October 10, 2017, 07:26:16 AM
Come on, Ben, 'Business is business' is just usually a cover for exploitation, isn't it. That is not to imply that you business is exploitative in any way - just an observation. One sure theng, we can no longer aspire to speak of democracy in the Town Hall administration when we see how the Deputy Mayor has been sidelined. Ah well, back to government by dictat.
Hi Norrie,
All I'm saying is that with the facts Roger has decided to give out, we don't know the whole picture. 'Business is business' can mean many things; I've had a lot of **** over the years, people doing me over, stabbing me in the back, but I've never complained on a public forum (correct me if I'm wrong).
Exploitation: nice debate. Now I could go off on a tangent about how the government and the taxman exploit self-employed people, maybe in another thread. Re my business, I'm happy to say that most of our staff have been with us since the beginning: exploited? Just like me and the rest of the working class in Spain. With Roger's biased transparency, we don't know if this case is exploitation or not.
No democracy at the TH? Again, with Roger's half-facts we can't say. He avoids asking my questions regarding 'juntas'; as far as I understand, that is where decisions are made (along with plenos). Also, there are currently 9? PSOE councillors; if there is no democracy, why have none of the others left? ✌️
Buena pregunta, Ben!
Raysun I'm not holding my breath waiting for a townhall posting! I think I'd expire first!! As for facts Roger has supplied quite a lot but no response to dispute them from townhall yet.
And as earlier prophesised it came to pass that a wise man has interpreted the thoughts and wishes of the TH and translated then in a suitable language for those of us with a bit less knowledge and who are a tiny tiny bit biased.!!
For the oldies the words of two great songs from the sixties spring to mind , the first seem a perfect fit for the wise man.
( take care of business mr. Business man if you can )
The next seems to fit Staceys waifs.
( little children why dont you play outside ) by billy j. In the arboleas case anywhere outside.!!
im Off out now for my weekly class on ( how to wise up and be less biased in three easy lessons )
hmm. Could be gone for some time.
Have a nice tuesday all
Quote from: raysun on October 10, 2017, 10:14:43 AM
And as earlier prophesised it came to pass that a wise man has interpreted the thoughts and wishes of the TH and translated then in a suitable language for those of us with a bit less knowledge and who are a tiny tiny bit biased.!!
For the oldies the words of two great songs from the sixties spring to mind , the first seem a perfect fit for the wise man.
( take care of business mr. Business man if you can )
The next seems to fit Staceys waifs.
( little children why dont you play outside ) by billy j. In the arboleas case anywhere outside.!!
im Off out now for my weekly class on ( how to wise up and be less biased in three easy lessons )
hmm. Could be gone for some time.
Have a nice tuesday all
Isn't it funny how anyone who has their own opinion is considered "suspicious" :72:
Obviously, it's easy to just follow what the four or five people that constantly write on the forum in favour of Roger and against anything Roger is against. I prefer to have my own opinion, see things from both sides and help out as much as I can. I get slack on here, but messages of "thanks for what you're putting on the forum Ben" from people I don't even know are a pleasant surprise.
Maniupulation is an interesting game but thinking for yourselves is even better.
Raysun: great songs... a few films come to mind about what's going on: Animal Farm & Life of Brian... Remember we are all individuals ;)
Animal farm is perfect . Lots of horsemanure and bull***t.
Este contrato era lo irrenunciable a cumplir para beneficio de los niños de Arboleas, a los que se debe este Ayuntamiento, dejando libertad de utilización de la nave el resto del tiempo, sin añadir ningun gasto adicional.
This contract was essentially drawn up to benefit the children of Arboleas, who this Town Hall is responsible for. The rest of the time, the premises could be used without any further cost.
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CONTRATO DE PRESTACIÓN DE SERVICIOS DE GIMNASIA RÍTMICA Y UTILIZACIÓN DE NAVE MUNICIPAL
SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR RYTHMIC GYMNASTICS AND USE OF MUNICPAL PREMISES CONTRACT
REUNIDOS
De una parte Don Cristóbal García Granados, con DNI XXXXXX, en representación del Ayun-tamiento de Arboleas, en su condición de Alcalde-Presidente, con domicilio en Calle Barranco, Arboleas (Almería).
De otra parte, Doña Stacey Jaine Marie Smith, con NIE XXXXXX y domicilio en XXXXXX
MANIFIESTAN
(the people stated above) DECLARE
I.- Que Doña Stacey Jaine Marie Smith, con NIE XXXXXX ha presentado en el Registro de En-trada del Ayuntamiento con fecha 29 de septiembre de 2017 del Ayuntamiento una propuesta para la prestación del servicio de clases de gimnasia artística.
I.- That Mrs Stacey Jaine Marie Smith, NIE XXXXXXX has presented a proposal for the service of artistic gymnastic classes in the Town Hall Register on 29th September, 2017.
II.- Que mediante Resolución de Alcaldía de 29 de septiembre del presente año se han adoptado los siguientes acuerdos:
II.- That by order of the Mayor's Office on 29th of September of this year, the following agreements have been adopted:
PRIMERO. Llevar a cabo el servicio de clases de gimnasia artística en la Nave municipal ubicada en el Paraje de El Rulador mediante el procedimiento del contrato menor, con el contratista Dña. Stacey Smith, con carácter provisional a contar desde el mes de octubre por el precio mensual de 810 euros IVA incluido durante el periodo máximo de un año. Los servicios se facturarán con carácter mensual sin que exista compromiso de permanencia.
FIRST. To carry out the service of artistic gymnastic classes in the municipal premises located in Paraje de El Rulador by writing up a minor contract, with Mrs Stacey Smith as contractor. The contract is provisional, starting in the month of October with a monthly price of 810 euros VAT inc and with a maximum duration of one year. The services will be billed monthly with no mimimum time commitments.
SEGUNDO. Autorizar el gasto correspondiente a los tres primeros meses de la contratación por importe de 2.430 euros con cargo a la aplicación presupuestaria 9200.227.99 del presupuesto vigente en este ejercicio. La autorización del gasto correspondiente a las mensualidades del año 2018 quedará condicionada al crédito que para dicho ejercicio se apruebe en el presupuesto de dicha anualidad.
SECOND. To authorize the expenditure corresponding to the first three months of the contract, the amount being 2,430 euros. This will be charged onto the budgetary implementation 9200.227.99 of this fiscal year
TERCERO. Una vez realizada la prestación mensual, incorpórese la factura y tramítese el pago si procede.
THIRD. As soon as the monthly provision has been carried out, the invoice will be incorporated and the payment will be made, if applicable.
CUARTO. Notificar la resolución al adjudicatario en el plazo de diez días a partir de la fecha de la firma de la Resolución.
FOURTH. To notify the decision to the contractor within ten days after signing.
En virtud de lo anterior, ambas partes formalizan el contrato de acuerdo con las siguientes:
By virtue of what is stated above, both parties will formalize the contract according to the following:
CLÁUSULAS
CLAUSES
I. Objeto del contrato.
I.Contract object.
El Ayuntamiento de Arboleas contrata con Doña Stacey Jaine Marie Smith, con NIE XXXXXXX, el servicio de clases de gimnasia artística en la Nave Multiservicios propiedad de este Ayuntamiento ubicada en el Paraje El Rulador, mediante la modalidad del contrato menor adminis-trativo especial, las cuales se impartirán 6 veces por semana con la duración de una hora por clase, en las condiciones señaladas en la propuesta presentada por la interesada.
Arboleas Town Hall will contract Mrs Stacey Jaine Marie Smith, NIE XXXXXXX, to carry out artistic gymnastic classes at the Multiservice Premises, owned by this Town Hall and located in Paraje El Rulador, by means of a special administrative minor contract. This service includes 1 hour classes 6 times a week, according to the conditions indicated in the proposal submitted by the person concerned.
El Ayuntamiento concede a Doña Stacey Jaine Marie Smith el uso del Gimnasio Municipal en El Rulador para las clases de gimnasia artística. El período de utilización será determinado previo acuerdo con el Ayuntamiento.
The Town Hall allows Mrs Stacey Jaine Marie Smith to use the Municipal Gym in El Rulador for artistic gymnastic classes. The period of use will be previously agreed with the Town Hall.
Dña. Stacey Smith tendrá el derecho de instalar su propio equipo en el gimnasio, y utilizar los equipos del Ayuntamiento ubicados en el gimnasio; será responsable de proporcionar un seguro de accidentes para la actividad, un inventario detallado de todos los equipos en el gimnasio y una lista de los usuarios registrados de sus clases de forma regular; y cooperará con el Ayuntamiento para garantizar un acuerdo satisfactorio para el uso conjunto del gimnasio.
Mrs Stacey Smith will have the right to install her own gym equipment, and use the council equipment located in the gym. She will be responsible for providing: accident insurance for this activity, a detailed inventory of all the gym equipment and a list of all the registed members of the classes on a regular basis. She will also cooperate with the Town Hall to guarantee a satisfactory agreement regarding the joint use of the gym.
El Ayuntamiento será el responsable de la provisión de agua y electricidad en el gimnasio, y del mantenimiento y seguro de responsabilidad civil y de incendio y robo del edificio.
The Town hall will be responsible for providing wáter, electricity and maintenance for the gym, as well as liability insurance, fire and theft insurance.
II. Régimen jurídico.
Este contrato se rige por el Texto Refundido de la Ley de Contratos del Sector Público, aprobado por Real Decreto Legislativo 3/2011, de 14 de noviembre, Real Decreto 1098/2001, de 12 de octubre, por el que se aprueba el Reglamento General de la Ley de Contratos de las Administraciones Públi-cas, y demás normativa administrativa aplicable. En caso de incumplimiento de alguna de las con-diciones por parte de la contratista se procederá de acuerdo con lo establecido en los artículos 212 y ss. del TRLCSP.
EN PRUEBA DE CONFORMIDAD con todo lo aquí recogido, las partes contratantes firman el presente documento y sus anexos por duplicado, y a un solo efecto, en el lugar y fecha indicados en el encabezamiento.
En Arboleas, a 29 de septiembre de 2017.
EL CONTRATISTA El AYUNTAMIENTO DE ARBOLEAS
Doña Stacey Jaine Marie Smith Don Cristóbal García Granados
Not quite sure what this implies, must Stacey pay 810 euros a month or is this what the TH will pay her. If it is rent she must pay this is out of proportion to what Sophias pay (300euros) per month. Language solutions you come across a a mouth piece for the TH.
Sally
it implies Stacey gets 810e per month for working 6 hours a week.
Not bad with free rent and electric.
Quote from: sallyb on October 11, 2017, 19:31:13 PM
Not quite sure what this implies, must Stacey pay 810 euros a month or is this what the TH will pay her. If it is rent she must pay this is out of proportion to what Sophias pay (300euros) per month. Language solutions you come across a a mouth piece for the TH.
Seems like there is a plot to make me look like the baddie.
All you have to do is read my posts and speak to people. The problem is objectivism is object of bullying on this forum.
Summary: Stacey was going to be paid 810€ a month to teach the Arboleas' kids and could make extra money from extra students without having to pay rent.
This is different to what I asked about (though the rumours were right about the 800€) and differs from what Roger posted.
I'd say: look at the two different versions and work it out for yourself. The TH has posted an official contract. Will Roger now come back and say it's not...this could be a serious issue.
The truth is out there; all you have to do is listen to your brain and not your heart...business is business 😉
Business is business your lecturing on here is making me and others think you have an agenda I was always taught in business not to be so opinionated that you alienate potential future customers This is an honest oplnion and does not require an answer as I am not interested in discussion just posting my feelings
off topic
Ben L/S is a Spanish educated Brit ,educated In Languages Degree through the Spanish System,
yer dont have to agree with his veiw,s BUT knowbody can say NOW things are been lost in translation,
if he is giving the town halls over veiw directly becuase he is 101 % Spanish fluent,this is exactly what Arboleas Needs.
Roger has now gone
So if the town hall uses Bens services to put there point over or he decides to pass local information on to the local Brit masses he is filling the void left by Roger Done.
Jobe done
Right rabbit we know who you are so why don't you keep your beaky nose out of it and look after your own business
I must say, these conspiracy theories are great. So someone who gives his own opinion is not just following Roger 100% is 'giving the TH's overview' 😂😂
Also, someone who knows Spanish is also in the same case?
Sorry, but I won't be bullied. A lot of people know me and know what I'm like, others don't.
All I'm asking, on a 99% biased forum is that you look at the facts and both sides of the story.
Since Roger resigned, even time before, there has been an obsession to make Arboleas look like a 'dictadura bananera'. Now if that's true, it's been that way since Roger started, so why the sudden change of heart?
You have opinions, you have manipulation, you have interests. Look at the different opinions and make up your own mind. Please stop bullying objective people for not following.
There has been serious damage done to various businesses due to things that have been said on this forum, that isn't on; it doesn't matter if it's Sophia, Stacey or the TH. It all affects Arboleas as a whole, that is negative ✌️
Quote from: rabbit on October 11, 2017, 19:52:30 PM
Sally
it implies Stacey gets 810e per month for working 6 hours a week.
Not bad with free rent and electric.
Was going to get...Stacey decided to break the contract (please confirm TH, Roger); her decision and I wish her luck in her new business venture. Again...business ✌️
Have I missed something here but that contract is dated 29 September 2017.
I thought the classes had been stopped
I have posted below on the ayuntamiento site on Facebook as that is where the post from the mayor was posted initially, just hope all sides see sense, for the childrens sake.
it is so sad to read all about this, surely all that matters is the children and cant you sit round a table without the influences of other people that appear to have interfered and discuss how you can resolve this issue to meet with both of your requirements. We are an adult world and where matters as important as this are discussed we should not be listening to tittle tattle from people that may have a hidden agenda. Please try to go to conciliation or arbitration and sort this out before our beautiful village loses one of its biggest assets. What has gone before surely needs to be taken out of the agenda and look at ways to move forward.
Quote from: freddie on October 12, 2017, 08:25:40 AM
I have posted below on the ayuntamiento site on Facebook as that is where the post from the mayor was posted initially, just hope all sides see sense, for the childrens sake.
it is so sad to read all about this, surely all that matters is the children and cant you sit round a table without the influences of other people that appear to have interfered and discuss how you can resolve this issue to meet with both of your requirements. We are an adult world and where matters as important as this are discussed we should not be listening to tittle tattle from people that may have a hidden agenda. Please try to go to conciliation or arbitration and sort this out before our beautiful village loses one of its biggest assets. What has gone before surely needs to be taken out of the agenda and look at ways to move forward.
Agree totally. Roger should still be on the council and Stacey should be doing gym classes. However, they both decided to leave. So, they can either go back and talk to the TH once again or habe a new venture.
As arboleanos, we should support them with their decision; but also, they should act as arboleanos and not keep stirring things up (that's more for Roger).
Arboleas has generally changed for the better since Roger joined Cristóbal and co; it should be in Roger's interest as well as ours that things continue that way.
Happy Spain 🇪🇸 day ✌️
Quote from: El Presidente None of the Above on October 12, 2017, 09:44:54 AM
Sally If you think that all that Stacey did was 6 hours work a week then I am sorry but you are naive, she worked tirelessly for those kids providing them with focus, discipline, developed their team spirit, gave them purpose, brought together all communities, I could go on and on with superlatives. She also provided displays at fiestas etc for which no doubt she never received a penny.
Languagesolutions Stacey never broke the contract, the contract copy posted is what the TH proposed, Stacey chose to not take it up, and who can blame her after all her hard work she was clearly left in an untenable position that did not fit in with what she had done previously, I for one hope she finds a suitable alternative location where the kids of the region can come together and take advantage of what is clearly a popular pastime for them.
And just so you know Stacey is more of a service provider than a business, and the TH with all their shenanigans have now lost that service to the community of Arboleas.
Thanks for the info, I did ask for confirmation 😉.
Now we have the facts and everybody is free to make their own assumptions. Honestly speaking, 810€, freedom to use the premises to make extra money and not having to pay rent (300€ min), liability (200€ a year min), electric and water (150€/month min) is a great benefit for a small business. If you are a service provider, then it is great also.
Making ends meet being self-employed in Spain is extremely difficult. I have offered Stacey all the support and luck in the world and even though you may be trying to make me look like the baddie or TH spokesman, she knows that.
Anyway, today is 'festivo', I'm taking a break. ¡Viva España! 🇪🇸
P.S. I also know what it's like not to take the TH up on a business offer. It was before Cristóbal's come-back and it's not the end of the world...being self-employed has some benefits 😉
Hopefully I do not have the wrong interpretation of this whole saga (if I have ignore my comments) but I understood that one of the main reasons for the collapse of the Gym was that the Mayor did not want non-resident children as part of the classes. If the contract above released by TH is the full contract, I do not see any clause stating that. Any condition to a contract that might be enforceable i.e. for cancellation of such, must form part of the clauses, you cannot have a separate verbal condition. So is this the full contract? Also what has not been published is Stacey´s proposals which is referred too in the contract (so we do not see the contract in its entirety), but it is unlikely she would have added that as a condition. As an outsider I think there is more to this than is being told. On a personal basis with experience of similar activities, having such a contract for work (if the published one is the full contract) and the generous facilities and amenities being offered allow further use to operate your own business interests, I think it is a very good foundation to one´s monthly business, which is why it makes me believe not all is as we are told or know.
Exactly Fishn. That's my reading of it too. Whatever is being presented is clouded by politics and nonsense. The truth I guess is in the outcome. Stacey has walked regardless of the apparent generous terms presented, that tells us all. Another own goal by the TH it seems.
Interesting that rabbit and last post make it seem that stacey was getting something for nothing.
she was employed as any teacher would be with premises supplied and she was employed to provide a service for the children of arboleas which was a great move by the TH. Stacey provided her expertise, professionalism in her chosen field and did a great job.
The TH was happy , children were delighted and S tacey was happy. Win win all around.
The 810 per month equates to 31 euro a day or 187 per week to teach up to 41 children . Doesent seem much to me 76 cents per child.for an hour
Out of that stacey had to supply her own very very expensive equipment and keep it maintained in top condition. Also floor mats etc etc.
She also had to employ staff to supervise a large number of children and also cleaners etc.
iN addition she had to provide accident liability cover which i know from my background is very expensive.
Contrary to an earlier post i think she paid her own social insurance payment.
rabbit, on a profit and loss statement this would be a dead loss.
the profit of course comes from the children and adults that stacey can get to come and pay a fee to use the facilities and it seems that she was very successful and so the business was a profitable one.
My question is what happened between the mayor and stacey to make stacey not take up the contract. Thats between them so thats the end of that. i just wanted tobring a bit of balanc e to rabbits glib post.
Have a good fiesta
As 'Fishnthenet' says (and others imply) there is a lot about this drama which we just do not know.
Maybe the following sentence in the contract is the 'weak point' which led to the subsequent break-up: "[Stacey] will also cooperate with the Town Hall to guarantee a satisfactory agreement regarding the joint use of the gym" - i.e., several days after signing, perhaps there was some sort of serious disagreement between the two opposing parties... [But it is indeed a great pity].
raysun
31 euros an hour not per day! Understand there are other costs you mention but she was tasked with 1 hour six times a week.
Sorry fishthenet, its pedantic i know but its 31 euro per day as she was employed to teach kids for one hour per day . One hour or one day its still 31 euro th pay her per day divided by up to 41 children.
I have no idea why i replied but its a holiday and nothing else to do.
El Presedente it was not me who made the comments about Stacey, it was Rabbit. I am on Stacey's side.
The th didn't want arbi kids mixing with the others .some arbi parents kicked off because they wanted there kids with your rest and wanted money back .the th and some arbi lot are nuts you had something that was great for the kids and community and all but blew it big style .
This comment was posted on the Fb page of the Ayuntamiento the other night by the mayor and proves once again how the main objective for our TEAM IS ALWAYS for the goodwill and benefit of all of our residents.
Stacey, en ningun momento por parte del Ayto, se ha querido hacerte dano. Pero todo lo que ha sucedido en los foros sembrando dudas sobre el Ayto e insultando el propio alcalde, ha provocado muchos dudas y muchas preguntas para los vecinos de Arboleas.
Como Alcalde he apoyado tu trabajo para que puedas desarollar tu vida haciendo lo que mas te gusta.
Pero entiende que este Alcalde, no va a permitir que se engane al pueblo de Arboleas y mucho menos se hagan acusaciones falsas en contra del Ayto y de mi persona sin que el pueblo conozca la verdad.
Los vecinos de Arboleas tienen que saber quien ha mentido y por que lo han hecho. Lo siento mucho por ti y por tus asesores te diste un tiro en el pie sin darte cuenta, por que el Ayto y mi persona siempre quisimos ayudarte, pero cumpliendo las leyes y los acuerdos.
Te deseamos mucho suerte stacey y si tu crees que te podemos ayudar no lo tires todo.
Stacey, on behalf of the Ayto, not at amy moment have we ever wanted to do you any harm. But everything that has happened on the forums has cultivated doubts about the Ayto and even insulted the Mayor, and has provoked many doubts and many questions for the residents of Arboleas.
As Mayor i have supported your work so you can develop your life doing what you love.
But you have to understand that this Mayor will not permit the town of Arboleas to be decieved, and false acusations be made against the Ayto and my person without the town knowing the truth.
The residents of Arboleas have to know, who has lied and why they have done it. Im sorry for you and your asesors, youve shot yourself in the foot unknowingly, because the Ayto and me personally always wanted to help you complying with the law and all agreements.
We wish you much luck stacey, but if you believe we can help you dont throw it all away.
I am sick to death of reading all of these comments. Why do you all feel the need to keep talking about it? What's done is done and stacey is moving on. Have you all ever stopped and thought how terrible it is that stacey is the topic of your conversations. How would you feel if it was YOU that everyone was speaking about. Stacey is really suffering at the moment with the ĺoss of a close family member this afternoon and does not need to be seeing any more of this bol***ks. Anybody that actually cares about her would know this already.
There will be no more posting from me on this subject.