Can anyone give me an official link about the water restrictions, not this 'so-and-so told so-and-so that Galasa said'. I have stopped topping up my pool and I'm using as little water as I can, but I hear so many people saying that they are not because 'a reliable source' told them that Galasa says there are no restrictions.
There is no doubt that there is a serious problem with our water reserves - owing to the below-normal rainfall. So for the sake of the community, if nothing else, we should all try not to use more than 1400 litres per person per week - [which averages out to 200 per day].
It is not yet clear [as far as I know] how the authorities are going to try and keep track of everybody's consumption - but they can obviously monitor our individual monthly meter-readings. Of paramount importance is the need to determine [and then make a note in their records] how many people are assigned to each property. And it remains to be seen what action will be taken against users who exceed the limit.
Perhaps all the necessary "legal processes" have not yet been fully buttoned up. Thus, [for the time being] people might well get away with ignoring the restrictions, unfortunately.
This is why I want an official link setting out the restrictions - anybody?
Rogers post might help. The town hall made a statement on here if you can find it. Also it was on a bulletin in the town hall.
Who uses 200 litres a day ??
Not worth worrying about. We won't.
Quote Roger ###
Water restrictions
Lots of confusion and misunderstanding.
The facts are simple and confirmed today by the Town Hall.
The Junta published the restrictions and they are the competent authority.
The limit for us is 200 litres per person per day.
This is the legal limit.
The Town Hall has published the new legislation but it is Galasa who will monitor the daily use on a monthly basis and will impose sanctions (we do not know what these will be).
How will Galasa calculate the daily authorised use?
This is for Galasa NOT the Town Hall.
Galasa will use the occupation of each property which was registered when your contract was issued. This will be many many years ago so in many cases it will have changed.
So I can see the possibility of many objections when sanctions arrive.
Of course we know there will be many houses which are now occupied by one person, on the death of a partner.
Also there will be cases where houses with two occupants have been sold to new owners with more than two occupants.
If in doubt you can contact Galasa to check how you are registered with them.
Arboleas did issue an official "BANDO", and it was Google-translated and posted here in the Forum by Felipe on 2nd March at 10:14 - see
https://arboleas.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=139664.0
Perhaps we coud regard it as an "appeal" rather than a new Law or "Rule".
Other municipalities have issued similar "Bandos"
Quote from: DLMcN on March 18, 2024, 19:05:53 PMArboleas did issue an official "BANDO", and it was Google-translated and posted here in the Forum by Felipe on 2nd March at 10:14 - see
https://arboleas.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=139664.0
Perhaps we coud regard it as an "appeal" rather than a new Law or "Rule".
Other municipalities have issued similar "Bandos"
Thank you. I guess that I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and at least my conscience is clear, and I won't risk being fined by our zealous new Arboleas policeman. 🤣🤣
The law is set by the junta in Sevilla.
We are limited to 200 litres per person per day.
Filling of private swimming pools is not allowed.
That includes topping up.
This is all published and reported in the Spanish media.
What isn't clear is who and what will enforce these laws.
A few days ago I was walking along the street in villaricos and a Spanish house had water running from the garden due to watering, which is illegal.
There is also a general hose pipe ban.
The local police should enforce these restrictions, except for limits to daily use which is up to Galasa to impose sanctions.
I wonder how the water companies cam enforce this. Who knows how many people reside in each property. It could be one person or a family of five or more, the bill is usually raised in one persons name so who is going to go round and check on the residents?
they will probably just do what all administrations do .....threaten massive fines and everybody will town the line with the od one that gets court .....issued with a large fine
and as for the usage
they will probably allow 1400 litres per home a week....then for anybody going over this ,there may be a non compliance penalty ......wich will need to be negated back on the production of house hold padrons & persons proof of residing and allowed usage worked out
the bigger issue .....is people drinking high calcium mineral water .......and effects on health ,but i suppose that wont be a problem either if the water off and another local problem solved ... 8)
anyway Dears the pinks storms on its way :cry:
,so it looks like pan scrubbers at the ready and defiantly no ringing eco friendly DavE @ "jet washers are us" ..... :wink: as you will all be getting yer collars felt :afro:
Sounds just like rural Wales to me Tets, so I'll just get on with it :grin: :grin:
thats the Spirit Ang ,well done :))
Well it's persistently raining here today in Sunny Cannock and apart from the occasional dry day, seems to have been doing so all year. Can't wait to get back to Espania on Saturday, even if there are water restrictions. I'll just stick to beer to do my bit to help.
It is absurd if you do not live in the affected neighborhoods of Arroyo Aceituno, that is, from Chopo to Los Lazaros that restrictions are applied to you. The rest of Arboleas consumes desalinated water, which has a higher cost than water obtained from wells.
The consumption of desalinated water is very good for the ecosystem because it recovers aquifers without the need for rain. Of course, the Carboneras desalination plant, which is at less than 50% efficiency, should work harder. Perhaps our City Council has shown solidarity with a desalination machine and does not want to give it a lot of work.
Otherwise, restrictions should only apply if residents were being served water from reservoirs, aquifers, or wells. In this case it would be an alleged scam, because desalinated water is 4 times more expensive than water from wells and residents pay the price of desalinated water throughout the Arboleas area.
Our city council should demand information. But seeing that their first decision was to remove the office serving European citizens, I find this difficult.
How long have they not reported on the functioning of the city council in this forum? Definitely, if you are European residents, you need a lot of luck to be served at our town hall. If not, why have they not clarified the water problem to these neighbors for 3 months?
Who does our city council work for, for the PP or for the residents of Arboleas?
They got rid of Brits office as they are not interested in expats problems it seems. Just my view.
To be fair they were seeing expats call to the town hall who have been in Spain for 20 years + who still have no Spanish.
Antonio is always very helpful but he is now overrun with queries so harder to get to see him.
So now it's make an Appointment and bring an interpreter.
Do they still provide free Spanish classes ???
I just had my water bill 22€. Used 5cube in 2 months. 2people plus grand kids 2 or 3 times a week for a few hours. Not touched the pool as no point if not swimming in it. Saw a local in Limaria has backwashed their pool last night. Why bother?
5 cube is about average for us through the winter. 8 to 9 in summer with pool usage.
Would love to know how 200lts per person was derived.
We live in Los Huevanillas and our water has been designated as not potable ie.it should not be used for drinking or cooking. For several weeks now we have been filling our bottles for drinking and cooking water from a tanker but are paying the same for our water as everyone else in Arboleas.
We have had no update from the Town Hall about when the issue will be resolved. I have asked for a plan of action with timescales....no response!
We are now told that we have a limit on the water we can use, and we cannot use it for topping up our swimming pool, watering plants or washing our terrace etc. Why are we limited? Our water is not drinkable so the restrictions should not apply to the affected areas of Arboleas. Also those using desalinated water should not have restrictions either.
Having said that I will add that we should all be careful with our water use. We are very careful with water, we have guttering around the house, water butts and recycle our backwash water. I have 3000 litres of stored water in various tanks and water butts. Our average water usage based on our Galasa bills is about 180 litres per day for 2 people (even when we were topping up the pool), which is not excessive and well under the 200 litre per person limit.
I will be contacting the Town Hall again and ask them AGAIN when we are likely to have drinkable water in our villages higher up the Arroyo.
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Quote from: felipe on March 20, 2024, 13:47:29 PMI just had my water bill 22€. Used 5cube in 2 months. 2people plus grand kids 2 or 3 times a week for a few hours. Not touched the pool as no point if not swimming in it. Saw a local in Limaria has backwashed their pool last night. Why bother?
5 cube is about average for us through the winter. 8 to 9 in summer with pool usage.
Would love to know how 200lts per person was derived.
Felipe,you need to get your bill checked, we used 10m3 and our bill for 2 months was 21.51 euros so your bill for 5m3 was effectively double the cost of ours....
Area 58 Arboleas down town metropolis is now over cast .....looks like we could be getting rain .....
stay tuned for further up dates to follow, direct from the Area 58 bunker .
8) nanu nanu x
Quote from: ianandsue on March 20, 2024, 14:12:34 PMI will be contacting the Town Hall again and ask them AGAIN when we are likely to have drinkable water in our villages higher up the Arroyo.
The hojas would be better.
200 litres PP per day has been the normal since God was a boy. always what was used in the UK.
Some interesting comments here. Tetley, the calcium in bottled water is a weird one. After cancer, I had my thyroid and parathyroid removed. This means my body doesn't produce calcium. However, tests showed my calcium levels were high. I had kidney stones in my left kidney, apparently caused by calcium, kidney cancer in my right kidney. Who knows?
As many do, we save a lot of our water, filling bottles when waiting for the temperature to be hot for our shower, even saving the water from the shower, so we can use for our garden.
On Facebook, there was a post that someone had been fined in Arboleas for cleaning their walls because of the dust, using a power washer. Oh dear. Apparently the same guy caught washing his car a couple of years ago.
All good fun.
Quote from: ianandsue on March 20, 2024, 14:21:00 PMQuote from: felipe on March 20, 2024, 13:47:29 PMI just had my water bill 22€. Used 5cube in 2 months. 2people plus grand kids 2 or 3 times a week for a few hours. Not touched the pool as no point if not swimming in it. Saw a local in Limaria has backwashed their pool last night. Why bother?
5 cube is about average for us through the winter. 8 to 9 in summer with pool usage.
Would love to know how 200lts per person was derived.
Felipe,you need to get your bill checked, we used 10m3 and our bill for 2 months was 21.51 euros so your bill for 5m3 was effectively double the cost of ours....
This my bill info. Not sure why yours should be lower for more use. Weird.
It could be the difference in price for desalinated water that you have. We have the rubbish stuff. On my bill we only have the .74c charge, no additions.
Just a thought
I think Felipe is paying sewerage charges, whereas Angieh and Ianandsue still have pothos.
I am on main sewers , some of the properties in Huevanillas were connected a couple of years ago. So the mystery goes on .
Quote from: JohnPower on March 21, 2024, 11:20:40 AMI think Felipe is paying sewerage charges, whereas Angieh and Ianandsue still have pothos.
I still have a pozo. But others near me are on mains sewage. Pipes never got laid to 7 houses near me.
Pozo negros are illegal.
So everyone pays for sewage treatment irrespective whether or not you are on mains sewage, because you should be!!!!
Yet another Spanish 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Quote from: felipe on March 21, 2024, 12:53:54 PMQuote from: JohnPower on March 21, 2024, 11:20:40 AMI think Felipe is paying sewerage charges, whereas Angieh and Ianandsue still have pothos.
I still have a pozo. But others near me are on mains sewage. Pipes never got laid to 7 houses near me.
Felipe, You have an extra 2 sections of charges compared to our bill, Saneamiento and Depuracion. We are not on mains sewerage and cannot be connected although some areas in Los Huevanillas have been. Therefore we have a
legal 2 chamber septic tank (not a pozo negro).
All your other charges are the same rate as ours.
Quote from: Roger on March 21, 2024, 13:09:05 PMPozo negros are illegal.
So everyone pays for sewage treatment irrespective whether or not you are on mains sewage, because you should be!!!!
Yet another Spanish 🤡🤡🤡🤡
There are plenty still around !! And will always be !!
Quote from: Penhallow on March 21, 2024, 19:24:02 PMQuote from: Roger on March 21, 2024, 13:09:05 PMPozo negros are illegal.
So everyone pays for sewage treatment irrespective whether or not you are on mains sewage, because you should be!!!!
Yet another Spanish 🤡🤡🤡🤡
There are plenty still around !! And will always be !!
There are, I have one and never had any problems with it, and no one has mentioned replacing it with a septic tank etc.
looks like another worry Ang & Pens on the horizon ....thinks il just open another can ,and watch Poldark on dodgy box :wink:
anyway glass half full, interest rates on hold @5.25 % £ @ 1.17 and were all still here ,whats not to like.... :))
Quote from: Johnny73 on March 20, 2024, 12:36:35 PMThey got rid of Brits office as they are not interested in expats problems it seems. Just my view.
To be fair they were seeing expats call to the town hall who have been in Spain for 20 years + who still have no Spanish.
Antonio is always very helpful but he is now overrun with queries so harder to get to see him.
So now it's make an Appointment and bring an interpreter.
Do they still provide free Spanish classes ???
They continue giving Spanish classes yes! But they have gone from having more than 100 students last year to having less than 10.
Of course, now the teacher is number 3 on the UCIN electoral list, what a coincidence! and she has the same salary with 10 students that the previous teacher had with 100.
How lucky are the friends of the current government team.
Quote from: felipe on March 21, 2024, 12:53:54 PMQuote from: JohnPower on March 21, 2024, 11:20:40 AMI think Felipe is paying sewerage charges, whereas Angieh and Ianandsue still have pothos.
I still have a pozo. But others near me are on mains sewage. Pipes never got laid to 7 houses near me.
so you are paying for treatin waste that you did not generate , according to that bill
Quote from: Roger on March 21, 2024, 13:09:05 PMPozo negros are illegal.
So everyone pays for sewage treatment irrespective whether or not you are on mains sewage, because you should be!!!!
Yet another Spanish 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Up here it is all pozos even newly built houses? We have no mains sewage even the Parque Almenara does not have any mains sewerage?
Quote from: Angleseyite on March 21, 2024, 20:01:41 PMQuote from: Penhallow on March 21, 2024, 19:24:02 PMQuote from: Roger on March 21, 2024, 13:09:05 PMPozo negros are illegal.
So everyone pays for sewage treatment irrespective whether or not you are on mains sewage, because you should be!!!!
Yet another Spanish 🤡🤡🤡🤡
There are plenty still around !! And will always be !!
There are, I have one and never had any problems with it, and no one has mentioned replacing it with a septic tank etc.
here in Lorca if you have one & it needs replacing you can legally fit a new one.
Way more advanced in Arboleas Gus.
About 10 years ago Mike came round and marked out the section of the road where the new pies from our house to the mains pipe will go.
I have touched it up every year since and the TH assure us that it will all be done by Easter.
That's progress for you .
PS. They say however that they have to prioritise the processions and the celebrations and their
lunch for Easter which might delay things slightly.
Can't wait. 😅😅🚧🚧🤞
Big issue in Malaga.
Hotels are allowed to fill pools and water gardens.
But holiday complexes can't.
Pool workers and gardeners out of work.
It's around 170€ for 18000 litres of water delivered.
Details via pm if anyone needs this.
Anyone ( perhaps Roger ) might know if it's allowed to top pool up from a water tanker or is topping up just banned from any source.??
I wouldn't have thought that a tanker would come to 'top up' a pool, ie maybe half a dozen tiles of water. Has anyone tried this?
The earlier post said 170 euro for 18000 litres delivered so when pools drop well down it could be shared with the neighbours .
Don't suppose the local Policia care and Galasa won't know.
Just a thought.
well that looks like another local crisis sorted..... ::) :shocked:
it rained :afro:
only down side now .....we have another Arboleas crisis :shocked:
....... jam jar shortage 8)
morning all :afro: x
Quote from: Roger on March 23, 2024, 15:42:12 PMBig issue in Malaga.
Hotels are allowed to fill pools and water gardens.
But holiday complexes can't.
Pool workers and gardeners out of work.
big issue in Cataluña also. Banned completely for everyone & even when the hotels were going to a buy a multi million euro portable desalination plant the gov . told them it was still illegal to fill & use for anything
It has been reported that average daily water use by tourists is 350 litres per day.
Typical average use by residents is around 150 litres per day.
A 10 minute power shower uses 150 litres according to press reports.
so this could in effect Rog ,be the first Brexit bonus ..... ::)
ie restricting the amount of Brits tourists there by saving 200 litres per day per person :shocked:
must dash i need to get my throws off the line again .....before its starts raining again
:smiley:
Quote from: Roger on March 25, 2024, 16:06:53 PMIt has been reported that average daily water use by tourists is 350 litres per day.
Typical average use by residents is around 150 litres per day.
A 10 minute power shower uses 150 litres according to press reports.
Where did that come from?😅 What about residents that go on holiday, say to the coast? Do we suddenly use more water? Are tourists dirtier than us? Daft figure.
Talking of power showers, I did see in a house where someone had bought an 11kw power shower for their ensuite and just plugged it into the wall socket near their basin. They were concerned about the burning smell.🤣
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/18/1232301986/in-spain-a-years-long-drought-is-pitting-locals-against-the-tourism-industry#:~:text=More%20than%2012%20million%20tourists,water%20per%20day%20than%20locals.
just got my water bill....
14e. 38c
for 2 months ..... 8)
I've heard the UK is negotiating a deal to swap water for visa's. Don't know how true it is.
its probably cheaper just to do the visa lol than it is to buy uk domestic water :wink:
The embalse de Puentes above Lorca has more water in it than I have ever seen & the official stats state that it is only 50% full. That's because it is still filling from when it was built. ::)
I have been reading these posts and it seems the restrictions cover a very large area,ie Malaga, Lorca etc. However we know people in Mojacar who are saying they do not have a restriction. Can anyone clarify this.
no restrictions here in Mojacar yet they are watering the golf course and football pitch with gay abandon.