Would you vote UKIP?

[ajc]

I it now illegal to go to Syria ?

[webejamin]

Webe, let them go, and don't let them back into the country. Those children will be listening to Islamic radicalism on a daily basis . By the time they are 18, they will be ready to wage war on anyone who is NOT a Muslim . I have no concerns about them at all.

Tell that to May and Cameron Liz.  :tiphat:

[zilnor]

Webe, let them go, and don't let them back into the country. Those children will be listening to Islamic radicalism on a daily basis . By the time they are 18, they will be ready to wage war on anyone who is NOT a Muslim . I have no concerns about them at all.

[webejamin]

I wonder if the news that the family heading for Syria have been arrested and will no doubt, be sent back to the UK, will get Nigel a few more votes? I suppose the father of 4 will be sent to jail and we will pick up the bill for that and looking after the rest, who will no doubt, grow up with murder on their minds. Sometimes I wonder if the big knobs ever think these things out much ??? 

[rt21]

Well 30 minutes ago the phone rang and an opinion poll agency was on the other end seeking my views on who I was going to vote for, who was the strongest leader between Cameron and Milliband and who I voted for in previous elections.

First time I have ever been contacted by such an organisation.


Think my answer my change your poll results CT  :D

:tiphat:


Richard

[CT]

BBC Poll of Polls today


Labour  34%                    Tory  34%
UKIP  12%
Lib Dem  9%
Greens  5%

[Challenger 383]

It's going to be a unorthodox election if nothing else, UKIP I think might get a very healthy percentage of the vote, but very few seats, labour will probably win, form a government with the limp dems, or snp and will not serve full term, there could be a great deal of falling out, or a leadership battle, or vote of confidence sparking a very early election, the English electorate will probably never allow the snp to hold sway in Westminster ever again, and the next election will be a triumph for UKIP due to tactical voting and the general mistrust of the EU.

[zilnor]

Here in Burton on Trent, there are more UKIP posters in front windows, than Labour, Tories and LibDems  together.
What does this tell us ?

[Challenger 383]

Probably depends on what paper you read to.

[CT]

Some polls in UK papers this morning are suggesting UKIP will only win one seat.

[webejamin]

 ;D 90% ethnic minorities don't sound right somehow Liz ;D But you're 100% right ;D
My niece was at the hospital today and she said there were 40 women in the waiting room, all were African or Asian and very few spoke English. She says she is "deferantly goin bleedin UKIP" :o

[zilnor]

Webe. You are right .  We both know  areas of London that are probably 90% ethnic minorities and we can understand the disillusionment and frustration of dare I say the white natives, who are in the minority and have been for some years.

[webejamin]

That's the thing about UKIP, they are just, very right wing Tories and I have to keep reminding myself of the fact. I wonder what the two main parties will look like in years to come? Labour has changed, or maybe developed in a different direction. In my old haunt of Barking and Dagenham, the labour party stood for the working classes, but now it seems to be concerned more with racial harmony than much else.
The new Mayor of Barking and Dagenham, Mrs Elizabeth Kangethe, has replaced Hardinal Singh Rai and will probably do the same good work for the local people as he did ???
Liz, I most likely read it wrong, Mea culpa :tiphat: I think the whole picture is pointing to the overcrowding of the UK by immigrants and has become the main focus for the strain on resources, no matter what shade of politics we are. :tiphat:    

[zilnor]

Webe, I did not explain myself properly. I meant that if the choice was between Miliband with SNP , or Farage with Cameron, I would have to go with F and Cam. :lol: 
But UKIP is not going to get too many votes as people are now seriously concerned about Miliband going with SNP. So I think there is a strong possibility of Cameron picking up more votes. I hope so  :lol:

[Tetley]

To be honest the more i watch UKIP  the more barking i think they are.......... Farage is a good shipyard steward orita,but the party revolves round him .

all this is really doing is making the Tory right wing..........acceptable.

the full jobs on its arse..........must dash im off to Wicks,is   :)

[LisaD]

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8808521/the-great-aid-mystery/

Even with UKIP's suggested cut of foreign aid to 0.2% (same as US) the UK would still be giving more money than Italy and Spain combined

[LisaD]

For me a Con/Ukip coalition is the only way for me, but it won't happen because of the way the boundaries are set up. The SNP scare the S... out of me though Milliband said he would not go into coalition with them, do I believe him? we will have to wait and see.

He's said "no" publicly and repeatedly - but he is a typical politician in the Blair mould so don't be surprised if he goes back on his words

I'd also like to see Con/UKIP - well after reading UKIP manifesto I'd prefer UKIP with Suzanne Evans at the helm - but it's never going to happen.

Can't help but think that a lot of Labour voters are being very short sighted

[LisaD]

Having read the manifestos, UKIP does seem the most honest and I like their ideas and plans

I can't bear Miliband as he's even slimier than Blair.

He is also unwilling to give us the choice of remaining in the EU or to admit that part of the problem we have with our schools/NHS/housing etc. has a great deal to do with the fact that we have allowed a huge number of people into the UK.
This is despite him admitting to Paxman last week that Labour had made a huge mistake as far as immigration was concerned - yet he refused to put a specific cap on immigration numbers.

I also couldn't believe the Green party last night, attempting to call anyone who raised immigration as a possible problem to be a racist.

If you've seen the manifesto you can only imagine the state of the UK if that party ever did get into government.

[sallyb]

For me a Con/Ukip coalition is the only way for me, but it won't happen because of the way the boundaries are set up. The SNP scare the S... out of me though Milliband said he would not go into coalition with them, do I believe him? we will have to wait and see.

[skid112]

and another
Conservative   268 (-39)
Labour   276 (+18)
Liberal Democrat   26 (-31)
UKIP   3 (+3)
SNP   54 (+48)
Green   1 (0)
Other   22 (+1)

[skid112]

trouble is UKIP wont have very much say Webe, with four seats predicted. I can feel it in my water that the SNP will be pulling the strings and that is so galling. If they win as many seats as predicted Labour will be wiped out in Scotland, even if the UK stays together the way the boundaries are set up Labour will never get a majority again.
latest predictions based on latest polls

   LAB   CON   LIB   UKP   GRN   SNP   OTR

Seats   278   280   20   4   1   48   21

[webejamin]

It's always been an odd situation for me and my views. I am an optimist, but come across as a bit of a pessimist. The reason for that is because I'm an optimist that's been around. Politically I'm a socialist, but again, I'm a socialist that's been around. This is why I would have to agree with zilnor and say my preference would be a Labour-UKIP coalition :o weird I know, but I would like to "suck it and see"  :tiphat:    

[zilnor]

Webe. Spot on  :clap:

[zilnor]

LisaD  :clap: :clap: :clap:
If I had to choose between UKIP or Miliband in a coalition with the SNP, it would be Farage, Farage,Farage.
Because he wants more controlled immigration he is accused of being a racist. Ridiculous.
I have been living back in England for almost two years . Everyone I speak to , regardless of which political party they support , say they fed up with our lax immigration laws; fed up with the UK being ruled by overpaid bureaucrats in Brussels;
fed up with the cost of being in the EU; fed up with the huge foreign aid costs. If funding to the EU and foreign aid were significantly reduced, there would be more cash in the pot for the NHS, education, police, public transport etc etc.

[webejamin]

Trouble is LisaD, if people are not affected by the immigration issue, they won't see it as a problem. Of course those that do see it as a problem are labelled racist. :tiphat:  

[CT]

YouGov poll in today (Friday's) Sun

Labour  34%                  Tory  34%
UKIP  14%
Lib Dems  7%
Greens  5%

[LisaD]

Most likely result will be UKIP Tory coalition :o Life's like that sometimes, unless you believe in the power of prayer ???

Don't know what news/tv channel you are watching, but Sky News are almost assuming a done deal between Labour and SNP

Farage made a mistake by getting frustrated with the studio audience last night, but I can't really blame him; he must feel like he's banging his head against a brick wall.

He's accused of being far right and racist, yet UKIP's manifesto is the most detailed and sensible of any of the parties.
He actually gives a straight answer to the question "what if we don't come out of the EU" and admits that his projections for investment in the NHS etc. would be compromised if we decided to stay.

He's giving the people a choice, unlike Labour.  Cameron only agreed to a referendum because of UKIP.

Of any of them, I feel that Farage has no other agenda except to make the UK a better place.

All of these lefty liberals that accuse him of racism when he suggests a points system of immigration will have his words ringing in their ears in a couple of decades time.

And if these recent news items don't persuade people that UKIP have a point, then nothing will.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11543768/Pole-who-raped-and-killed-9-year-old-girl-in-Calais-was-on-his-way-to-UK.html

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4295097.ece

Regarding the current situation in Sicily:

The migrants arriving there are supposed to be processed for political asylum and monitored until it is granted or denied, however Italy has previously been sanctioned by the European Union for not doing so, or even fingerprinting new arrivals.

By law, Italy has to take care of the arrivals, but many of these migrants have no intention of staying in the country.

Few of the reception centers are gated, meaning migrants can come and go as they please. And with no physical border controls between Italy and other European countries, they can then disperse across the continent.

[rt21]

Whoever gets in power needs to tackle the UK Deficit and Debt because we were a whisker away from UK economic ruin had Scotland voted to leave the UK. (The SNP would have left us with huge debts)

We cannot afford to be in a similar situation again when the SNP push for another vote in what might be the near future



:tiphat:


Richard

[webejamin]

Don't really see it that way skid112, Just being damnable, with a touch of irony. I have no idea who's gonna get in, same as everyone else. I just hope the SNP are sidelined. I can't see any point in having Welsh, Scottish, or anyone else parties involved in UK elections, coz they're not representing Britain. Miliband, Cameron Farage and Clegg are for the whole of the UK, while Sturgeon will be a disaster for the UK, coz she just wants out of it.
Could we see one party going it alone without a majority ??? or is that going too far? :tiphat:
 

[skid112]

Most likely result will be UKIP Tory coalition :o Life's like that sometimes, unless you believe in the power of prayer ???

how do you see that? every poll I see forecasts  a one seat gain for UKIP, so three to four seats even with 13% of the vote due to the way the polls work. The only way, short of a minority Govt, the Tories get back into power is coalition with LD and DUP.

Labour have the SDP route, thats the most likely. In which case I will be cashing everything in and moving out full time while watching the break up of the UK and the EU. I dread to think how the dreams they all have and the money they all want to spend will come about, it really will be time to turn the lights out. Not that the Tories have any other way other than cut cut cut

[webejamin]

Most likely result will be UKIP Tory coalition :o Life's like that sometimes, unless you believe in the power of prayer ???

[CT]

YouGuv poll in today's Sun

Labour  35%
Tory  34%
UKIP  13%
Lib Dem  8%
Greens  5%

[Tetley]

Just as a bit of a side issue......... but along the imigrant lines
did anybody see the Dark Skinned UK reporter (bbc 3 ),reporting on a an anti imigration gathering in Moscow............scarry stuff............specialy when they were giving 14 year olds knife combat training at night school.

the reporter lad was certainly out of his one show bbc comfort zone...... :tiphat:

The reporter was Reggie Yates, I don't think he's a journalist more a ''presenter''. The programme is repeated tonight on BBC3 for anyone who's interested.

Yes its well worth a watch,off topic again...........there is a big meet this morning abought Hulls homeless crisis..........including the Polish & EU folks that are on the street with no roof or help because they dont qualify for any.................

morning folks  :tiphat:

[CT]

Just as a bit of a side issue......... but along the imigrant lines
did anybody see the Dark Skinned UK reporter (bbc 3 ),reporting on a an anti imigration gathering in Moscow............scarry stuff............specialy when they were giving 14 year olds knife combat training at night school.

the reporter lad was certainly out of his one show bbc comfort zone...... :tiphat:

The reporter was Reggie Yates, I don't think he's a journalist more a ''presenter''. The programme is repeated tonight on BBC3 for anyone who's interested.

[zilnor]

Sallyb well said .