IMHO (A small rant)
Texting, Facebook, Twitter, etc. The Bastardisation of the English Language.
English in the spoken and written language has been totally and irrevocably altered by the use of social media. So called 'Celebs' cannot utter a sentence without saying 'ya know' at least half a dozen times in a 30 second sound bite. This is also true of the likes of Zara Phillips, so called academics from the LSE, so called soccer pundits and many, many others. The newest and latest trend is to begin a sentence with the word 'so', which I have always believed to be a conjunctive word, i.e. part of speech, joining words and phrases together, but not now. Now it is 'clever' to use it at the beginning.
Who are these people that start these trends? How dare they take one of the most beautiful languages in the world and utterly ruin it. Our children are not corrected when they utter these mindless words and are growing up believing it is the norm. Education today is a travesty. We will never again see another Shakespeare; hear another Olivier or Gielgud, expound the English language in such a profound and dynamic way.
I despair at what I hear and read today. Newspapers with so many errors in their spelling, but I guess no one cares enough any more when they are filled with the utter crap and mindless drivel of say 'The Kardashians.' Millions follow these morons trying to emulate them instead of living their own lives.
Being that I am fast approaching my 70's, I shall never forget my English teacher at Secondary school. Yes she was strict, but her methods and morals have steered me through my life in a positive manner, being able to converse with others using a language that I was once proud of. Not any more!!
Couldn't agree more. There was an article in last week's Mail on Sunday about teachers having to go on a special course to learn basic English grammar because so many lack the skills to teach primary school pupils taking rigorous new tests next summer. It said that many undergraduates who will train as teachers couldn't recognise conjunctions, prepositions and adjectives, and some even struggled to distinguish between verbs and nouns. I get annoyed with the advert on the TV which says " find your happy" and even the BBC advertises it's "Big Sing". When I was at school in the good old days we had marks deducted in exams for incorrect grammar and spelling but apparently now it is considered totally irrelevant. I dread to think how much worse things could get.
Absolutely agree, until they start to teach proper English in schools it will only get worse. It's such a shame as English when spoken correctly is a beautiful language.
Nibbler :tiphat:
Janad. : :clap:
My husband and I had the good fortune to be educated at English grammar schools, many years ago.
I despair when I hear the majority of sixteen to eighteen year old students talking outside the local college. " innit" seems to be their favourite word, and the main topics of conversation are "Britain's Got Talent" and the " X Factor" .
Both my parents left school at the age of fourteen. They had a good all round education and were taught respect for others and the importance of self-discipline.
Many of the students I taught at university before we moved here had terrible grammar in their writing. They could not differentiate between their and there, its and it's, no and know. That was just the start. The use of a comma in a sentence was rarely seen. These were students that has achieved A and A* in English! It baffled all of the lecturers how these students could achieved such grades when they did not know the basics of English grammar.
The marking of essays ended up being full of red underlining due to the number of grammatical errors.
U people gotta realize, times is changin innit. Us couldna undastood people speakin undredsa yonks back, coz dem woz speakin propa inglish den innit. Like "woe is me" annat, "for I is undun" innit. U gotta be cool innit, new lingo is cumin, it aint stopping, u gotta ave it, innit. O0 Skool.
Oh webe you southerns could never speak the Queens English anyway :rofl: :rofl:
I don't want it Webe :lol:
Excellent topic and one a lot of users of this forum should or could improve upon, including our resident University lecturer, whose post would have red ink used within it.
Is it laziness or lack of education?
Astra
when I went to school , every teacher would underline any mistakes made in written work
be it bad grammar, incorrect spelling or just wrong information/facts.
Now no teacher other than the one teaching English will correct bad grammar
or spelling
It's the appalling use of the apostrophe that I find distasteful. Oh for education. :drinks:
Thou art right !
I think all languages evolve, new words are introduced to the language, through social and technological progress etc, as some words are lost because they become less relevant to society.
The rules of grammar however should remain unchanged, syntax, phonology, phonetics and semantics.
Just out of intrest,when i was abought 8,we were taught the all new ITA method of English,this was around 1968 however i think it was binned a couple of years later as it was found not to work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_Alphabet
i would luv to be able to spell correctly and use correct Grammer,however at 55 its not on my to do list ,as for texting & and been glued to the nett on these modern phones,im convinced this will lead to mass mental health issues for a lot of people in later life.
:tiphat:
Tets, that's why they have spelling and grammer software on electronic communication devices these days. It's easy peasy in today's environment. :drinks:
Quote from: steve.p on October 31, 2015, 15:19:02 PM
Tets, that's why they have spelling and grammer software on electronic communication devices these days. It's easy peasy in today's environment. :drinks:
Have you got a link for a good one ?,i can really do everybodys head in with good spelling & grammer... :o
were on front moto mudgaurd pin striping to day by hand .......it aint going well 808
think il have an hour off with a grammer program .. 8)
;)
Most are built into the software of the device. Predictive text etc.. :drinks:
Quote from: steve.p on October 31, 2015, 15:39:37 PM
Most are built into the software of the device. Predictive text etc.. :drinks:
ok thanks il have a shufty :)
The latest trend, that I hate, in English pronunciation is that the letter T has all but disappeared, and not just with the younger generation. Par(t)y pre(tt)y and so on. Don't know how they would pronounce Tetley ?
Know what you mean about dropping 'T's.
People who say fanks instead of thanks 😡
Astra, so sorry I added a ´d´ at the end of a word.
It's almost as bad as the , old, British people you see in shops over here moaning about how they can't understand the Spanish ......Language changes (and grammar too)...that's simple evolution...but ignorance is eternal
Not a problem felipe if you make a claim like yours then your post must been correct. Should it not be have or had achieved, not has?
Fing is, it's changing. If ya don't like it, it makes not the slightest of difference. You gotta understand it or go under, God knows how many times a day I say "excuse me, but I didn't understand what you said" or "can you say that again". I am getting the gist of it all, but sometimes I get confused ???
I would say that Felipe's grammatical error was a keyboard error. This happens to us all !
Am I right in thinking English is the only language that has always constantly evolved and still is? Do not have a problem with that at all.
I would say that Felipe's grammatical error was a keyboard error. This happens to us all !
I also blame the influx of American TV. shows. :head
Nibbler :tiphat:
Hi,
What I cannot stand, is people who say "I mean" at the beginning of EVERY sentence ........ not only people on the street, but people in "public" life !!!
If you say " I mean" ,surely that should mean that you have said something before that needs to be explained ....... however, usually, they have said nothing .... !!,
Keeping my head below the parapet now
Regards
L.L.
I released this in May 2014:
https://www.reverbnation.com/owdoggy/song/20856102-yernatamin (https://www.reverbnation.com/owdoggy/song/20856102-yernatamin)
T'would seem now that I may have written a popular song ..........very disturbing :lol:
Doggy
There are some replies on here that are almost impossible to comprehend, it is easier to read Spanish. Also no mention of the Oxford comma.
Quote from: Challenger 383 on October 31, 2015, 17:56:27 PM
Am I right in thinking English is the only language that has always constantly evolved and still is? Do not have a problem with that at all.
I think every language has to evolve, even if it's just to keep up with advances in technology. For instance, you wouldn't imagine someone from the Victorian era, having any idea what this post meant.
''Most are built into the software of the device. Predictive text etc..''
Yet we understand it.
Yesterday it was something like "If I compare thee to a summers day" today it's more of a "you gotta cool ass, yo ma bitch"
Quote from: webejamin on November 01, 2015, 08:09:44 AM
Yesterday it was something like "If I compare thee to a summers day" today it's more of a "you gotta cool ass, yo ma bitch"
Not exactly William Wordsworth Jams,but in these modern times ....anything seems to go now were all multicultral.... init ;D
were still on coach lines in the Nerve Centre pmt ....thats not a 42 seater coach with a line in it....its a paint line ... :handshake
morning Citizens :)
IMHO
My original posting on this subject was not about the evolution of the English language. If the language did not evolve then we would still be communicating with each other using grunts. The English dictionary has always had new words inserted whilst removing others considered, as no longer viable.
Not so long ago, one would hear an 'Hm' or an 'Err' when listening to someone speaking. This enabled the individual to search his vocabulary contained in his mind, to find the right word or phrase. Today, that vocabulary no longer exists, therefore the mindless repetitiveness of 'ye know' or 'I mean' is substituted, although maybe substituted is the wrong word, as it means to replace and in most cases, there is nothing forthcoming from their brain other than the 2 aforementioned phrases. (I use the word 'phrases' loosely).
If continuously being told 'ye know', then one must ask if I already know, why are you telling me? Likewise if they have to continually state 'I mean', then why don't they say what they mean instead of what they did say?
I am afraid that it is already too late for this transition in our vocabulary to be reversed as it has slowly and succinctly taken over. The past 2 or 3 generations have failed to acknowledge it's sheep like effect on society today, so trying to appear 'cool' does in fact make you look and sound thick!!!
One of the best ways to deal with the "ya know" brigade is to say "No actually I don't know. Can you explain please". Inevitably they are struck dumb. Quite amusing to watch them squirming.