Hi Roger, did Innovation 14 go to Almeria for signing today?
So is that a yes or no?
Any news?
Perhaps it is : No News is Good News .But Roger should say something now.
Its August. Holiday time give him a break for gods sake. A few days wont make a difference
We have received a letter from Almeria giving the format of the report we need to send them.
This was sent on 4th August at their initiative.
I assume the official was clearing her desk before she went on holiday.
It is tradiional for people to take the summer holidays to coincide with the national holiday on 15th.
We will send the documents with the necessary covering information as soon as the Council Secretary is back from holiday.
Thank you for the information Roger, we await September/October now then before we get a yes.
Has the documentation gone off to Almeria now the holidays are over?
So any update for us patiently waiting for news.
Obviously not!!!!
http://www.arboleaslive.com/news-in-depth
Don't hold your breath !
And then buyers will have so much choice, prices will fall ??
Just read the piece off Roger, so when he says nothing is going to happen quickly are we looking at 3, 6, 9 months away or longer I know you havent got a crystal ball but given the timescales so far, there must be a rough idea of when this might come to fruition. Thanks Roger.
Didn,t the TOWN HALL say a few months ago that it was just waiting for one person to sign it off .
Fing is folks,these govi officals study for years,there NOT going to rush,there bosses will probably have studied under the Franco years,they will do exactly as and when they like,wich might take 1 month,1 year or 1 decade,there not sackable or complainable, the job is what it is,the main thing is your 300/400 IBI diddle up money is helping the town hall funds the planning fees & expence,as opposed to it been spent........elswere.
as for prices dropping,not really,the house movment in Arboleas is goverend by uk exchange rates,1.19 houses sell,1.35 plus houses fly of the peg,1.05 its a veiwing every 4 months,normaly by another EU cit,thay will tell you your house is very expensive ay 145k,but they would pay 120 k ( coz they no the Brits have stopped buying wile the exch rate is low )
:outtahere:
Exactly one person to plough through all these documents, on top of any other work that they have to do on a day to day basis.
That is why I gave details of all the detail in the documents which have to be read and agreed.
It may be relatively quick, it may not.
Keep asking when will not make it happen any sooner.
I know that some people have been waiting for over 10 years
and had to suffer a load of lies, promises and misinformation.
From 2011 we have kept everyone informed in detail and we will
continue to let you know any developments as soon as we do.
Quote from: Roger on September 07, 2016, 09:14:12 AM
Exactly one person to plough through all these documents, on top of any other work that they have to do on a day to day basis.
That is why I gave details of all the detail in the documents which have to be read and agreed.
It may be relatively quick, it may not.
Keep asking when will not make it happen any sooner.
I know that some people have been waiting for over 10 years
and had to suffer a load of lies, promises and misinformation.
From 2011 we have kept everyone informed in detail and we will
continue to let you know any developments as soon as we do.
Roger,if Ino 14 is passed it will be a bonus,even if its over another 10 years...........because the system and the people in it do as and when they like.
the job is what it is ie its governed by Administrative & Procedural law system,the only good news is..........there is no government in Madrid at the mo,printing new laws.
onwards & upwards
:outtahere:
lets also be honest,spain looks very sain and well run,after the 23rd of UK Reffo June,... so they probably think your the head medic at an Arboleas British lunatic asylum :) so this is probably another reason they aint rushin :)
" Spain looks very sane and well run............" . rofl rofl
Don't think so Tetley !
Carry on and keep calm then Roger!
Only when compared to the UK that is. Just have a look at the current political turmoil going on there. :tiphat:
Quote from: zilnor on September 07, 2016, 16:06:15 PM
" Spain looks very sane and well run............" . rofl rofl
Don't think so Tetley !
well theres one thing,Mayor Done will sort his hooses Out at lot quiker than you lot back at camp Happy will sort yer self implode Rexit...... OUT :))
and as for Spanish polatics........we have the worlds best government in power at the mo......... ,there aint one.........x2 :))
There's surely a bigger picture to this. If Arboleas gets its houses legalised, doesn't it open the door to all other illegal properties in Spain, and there are a lot!
Then there will be lots to sell, lowering prices, supply and demand, and lots still in the hands of the dodgy ones who built them, so they will finally make some more money ??
Lets get the Brexit & Free movment done first,
worst case the villa legal price will drop to 80 or 90k,
if yer 75 and have had 20 years in the sun but want to go back to the UK yer can go back with 60k uk in yer pocket and rent for yer last 10 years and if your are ill they carnt asset strip yer to pay for yer care,plus there,s chuck all for yer outlaws to sort once yer take yer trip down the tunnel of light,
plus the other thing is,get yer 60k duwn,then yell get a bit of help wi yer Rent & rates.
yer carnt teck the bxgger with yer mi luvlies :)
The Arboleas Urban plan is not related to the problem of illegal houses in other Towns.
I was told in 2009 by the head of registration at the Planning Department that the preparation of urban plans is the responsibility of local Town Halls, not the Junta.
It is the responsibility of the Junta to check and approve the plans.
So if your Town Council is not preparing an Urban Plan to legalise illegal properties you should go and ask them why not.
I see in the press today that the Councillor for urban development in Almeria City is demanding a meeting with Junta officials to unblock their urban plan, after over 12 years.
This is playing politics. All Almeria City has to do is walk round the corner and have a face to face discussion, not make an issue in the press.
On related issues, I am sure that there will be an increase in houses for sale when all are legal. However this will happen little by little, and present signs are that demand is matching supply in Arboleas at the moment.
In fact I have seen an increase in new purchases since Brexit.
Maybe people are leaving the UK before UK house prices fall and before the predicted fall in economic growth.
As for builders making money when the houses are made legal, this varies.
Most builders received all the money for their illegal houses.
Some builders are waiting for around 5% final payment on receipt of documents.
Promar has a lot of money owed to them, most of which is locked in escrow accounts. I doubt if there will be much left after they have paid off the mortgages they took out on clients properties and after they have paid the tax department to lift embargos.
Mountain Oaks has unsold rustic houses, which will become legal, but a huge tax debt which has resulted on embargos on all Mountain Oaks land, legal and illegal occupied houses.
When these rustic un sold houses are made urban it will be possible to swap them for the tax debt, thus helping the clients on embargoed land.
Fing is whatever happens houses will role in Arboleas,because people will still be able to use them as holiday homes,and at 100k ish English pound money its not out of the way for 45 to 55 somthings on good money to buy a 2nd home.
were never going to see the UK Exedus into Arboleas again ie 201 to 206 but houses will turn over if the currency is 1.20 ish plus at a good rate.
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Quote from: Tetley on September 09, 2016, 17:57:51 PM
Fing is whatever happens houses will role in Arboleas,because people will still be able to use them as holiday homes,and at 100k ish English pound money its not out of the way for 45 to 55 somthings on good money to buy a 2nd home.
were never going to see the UK Exedus into Arboleas again ie 201 to 206 but houses will turn over if the currency is 1.20 ish plus at a good rate.
:tiphat:
I agree that the exchange rates are "dictating the market" more than anything at the moment and uncertainty over how brexit will affect ex pats is probably another factor and as properties are legalised it would follow that supply would likely increase demand and therefore reduce selling prices.
However, is there not another factor which could come into play following Inno. 14, and legalisation of properties, which may increase demand? With a large number of potential purchasers just waiting to be confident that should they buy in Spain (Arboleas) then the property will definitely be legal? This is a big issue as whenever I have a conversation with anyone in the UK about owning a Spanish property then illegality and demolition/bulldozing always enter the conversation, not exchange rates or brexit. Does anyone else see this??
Innovation 14 will probably never happen in our lifetime.
Unsure how it can as all houses built in the last 20 years were built on rustic land which makes it an illegal build.
Believe what Roger and his mate say that Innovation 14 is the big solution but there is reason it is one delay after another.
Because it will never happen.
You obviously do not understand urban planning regulations.
Quote from: Roy Thomas on October 02, 2016, 00:17:56 AM
Innovation 14 will probably never happen in our lifetime.
Unsure how it can as all houses built in the last 20 years were built on rustic land which makes it an illegal build.
Believe what Roger and his mate say that Innovation 14 is the big solution but there is reason it is one delay after another.
Because it will never happen.
my house was built within the last 20 years in Arboleas as a new build has all its paperwork,ie deed for the house,deed for the land,all correctly sized up,registered,IBI,id Castrolled,hab cert,mains water,lecky cert,be a bit Strange Roy if im the only Brit with the correct casa paperwok in town,dont yer fink......
ive even still got the land marker vegas in place that corrispond with the land deeds on the plot size & postion
:thumbsup:
Apparently May is serving Article 50 in March...........so the UK should be all UK & EU Out by 2019...........great news for Arboleas home sellers,pensioners with a 1.05 exchange rate And Rog,whom will finally be able to retire, by 2019..........
( the above is a light hearted pxxx take ! ,also if you are an estate agent,it might be worth buying a monoply board game for the office as these may be the only houses selling to Brits...... )
:afro:
Shall I presume we won't be hearing anything on Innovation 14 this year? Was it just a rumour that it would be finalised in October/November this year?
Given the EU,s stance yesterday of Hard Brexit ONLY,the delay in home legalisation and NO paperwork,may actually help some folks,basically,the Brit home owners are here because of EU free movment,worst case of an OUT and The Brits end up OUT after a hard ball with the EU and Spain with the fog of Gib,ie medicals & right to reside,then an Arboleas paperless couple,may get some housing help back in the UK,because on paper they own nothing ,were as a couple with full papers and a home,will end up paying full rent,because they still have a registered home.... in Spain ( even tho they might only have acess to spain 90 days per year.... in the worst case of UK Divorce ).
also if ino 14 does come through now...... nothing will be selling at the mo unless its auction prices,as all EU buyers will know the Brits have been shafted by there own back in the Motherland ,plus the cost of paperwork to complet will be expensive at a 1 to 1 rate with .
:outtahere:
this is an intresting read,although not related to ino 14,it could give an idea of the current offshore fog heading inland that may pressure/harden attitudes towards OUT of EU state Brits with newly enforced/ lost European citizen ship,needing a medical or "relaxed " spanish citizen ship application.
http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/10/06/inenglish/1475762366_981489.html
Roger as you are the mod I can only assume you deleted my post.
Thought you Corbyn lovers believed in free speech.
Must have been a dream.
Roy Thomas I missed your post ??
Doesn't the number 14 tell you something, and lots more numbers to use !!
Roger did not remove your post I did. It was insulting and unnecessary.
Now we have a Government will we get a signature for innovation 14 ?.
Nothing to do with the Government.
Everything is waiting for final approval from technicians and planning officials.
It is illegal for politicians to interfer with this legal planning process.
Roger. Is it correct that these guys only meet every 3 months, if so when can we hope for a answer , DECEMBER? . A reply nice would be?
So here we are halfway through November way past the 3 month deadline and is there any progress?
If you are so concerned why don't you go to the town hall and ask?
The deadline, based on working days, is the end of November.
Rog
mi majic acorns is saying ino 14 is a done deal for june 2017. :thumbsup:
relax,lets sit back and watch the world implode :drama:
Looks like your magic acorns could be right for a change!!
Quote from: Roger on November 20, 2016, 17:37:06 PM
Looks like your magic acorns could be right for a change!!
Rog,thev been right so far with the
property price crash 2007 forcast
uk financel bank crash of 2008
currencys up/ downs projected
and the reffo A ) been held
B )The OUT vote.
Trumph elected !
infact,i might have a fish abought in m itool box and lend yer a couple of mi part worn ones for yer IBI Chuckle bunker& ops room :shocked: ti liven yer news now Arbies Alive reports up ie fill in the info gaps....were its a bit.... need ti know only :wink:
After reading Rogers report on Arboleas Live regarding the signing of the urban plan for Innovation 14 has no one asked the question why it is not getting signed? :91:
Would this also eventually apply to all illegal houses on rustic land in Spain.
This is probably why, would involve a very large number ??
I expect we are all quite resigned now to the next delaying tactics from the Junta. Roger said they expected it to be signed by the 1st quarter so there's another week to go yet for anything to be thought up! Meanwhile the townhall is not receiving the IBI due from the 300+ properties awaiting legality.
Tandas Not correct, I am paying ibi, perhaps its 299?
Fing is the UK is quite a talking point at the mo, so the folks doing the paperwork....may take the veiw that there aint no rush,infact in some quaters the Brits are seen as attempting to wreck the European union and should be thrown OUT,might be relevent...might not be...to inno 14,however one thing is for sure Roger Done has done his best.
So am I. Urban rate for rustic land.
tonychris,
Perhaps because the Spanish authorities don't really give a s--t ?
Sorry to sound so cynical ! But why is it taking s long ? :banghead:
Tandas, can I ask why you think people are not paying there IBI when they expect the town hall to resolve the legality of some houses? Surely they are getting the same service from the town hall as the rest of us.
We have no catastrol registration so do not exist to register to pay IBI. No right to sell or build, no indivual land plot either our land isn't segregsted yet. We will willingly pay our IBI when we have those and any back payments but not before then. We are grateful for the work the townhall have done to resolve everything but it was the townhall that started it all back in 2003 when we came here and bought in good faith.
How can it be a legal obligation to pay IBI, when it is on an illegal property ??
Quote from: PhillipJLloyd on March 25, 2017, 07:30:29 AM
How can it be a legal obligation to pay IBI, when it is on an illegal property ??
because there is a law were they can tax anything thats static ...bum bum !
the other thing is...its better to be paying somthing as you have a state refrence point with your name-number on for somthing you have purchased or are attempting to fully purchase,we are in a total diffrent ball game now,after june 23rd so any refrence points will help even if it means paying two or 300 hundred euros a year.
off subject ish,my kids been advised to do his final law year in Spanish administration-Local government law because of the work load that will be avalable once the UK leaves the EU.....
at the end of the day,Roger has done his best and the system here does not rush.
Tetley, why does every point you make now involve Brexit ??
Quote from: PhillipJLloyd on March 25, 2017, 11:33:26 AM
Tetley, why does every point you make now involve Brexit ??
because its a game changer for the Brits,and really its my only current intrest ,infact ,if i post anything at all apart from taking the pxxs its going to be Brexit,so best look away now....if yer dont want to know the score.... :grin:
Its a game changer, very much doubt that, life for the ordinary man will go on much the same , whether in Spain or the UK.
Scaremongering will not help !!
Quote from: PhillipJLloyd on March 25, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Its a game changer, very much doubt that, life for the ordinary man will go on much the same , whether in Spain or the UK.
Scaremongering will not help !!
:PDT_Armataz_01_37:
Why does this link to Brexit?
Simple.
In a few months there will be an agreement to protect permanent EU residents in the UK and UK residents in the EU.
The problem for the UK is to identify who are settled residents because the UK Government has not bothered in registering EU citizens in the UK, unlike Spain which does register everyone.
So when the time comes, very soon, to establish your right of abode in Spain it will be very useful to have proof.
Residencia
Town Hall Padron
Catastro Certificate plus payment proof of IBI.
Job done, residence guaranteed.
If you can get a Catastro certificate and numbered related IBI bills to pay then we'd be legal! Hurrah for that one. Until then no IBI payments from us. And as for Brexit no change from that for at least another 2 years and the Spanish will always want the income we spend here and the tax we pay.
Quote from: tandas on March 25, 2017, 13:53:46 PM
If you can get a Catastro certificate and numbered related IBI bills to pay then we'd be legal! Hurrah for that one. Until then no IBI payments from us. And as for Brexit no change from that for at least another 2 years and the Spanish will always want the income we spend here and the tax we pay.
it wont be what the Spanish govie does.....it will be the deal the UK does with the full 27 member states,the problem will be the UK ....as Rog points Out above ie deciding whom has a right to reside in the UK ,if they start playing silly bxggers this will knock onto the full deal.
the simpelist way is to go by uk ni date off issues and member state Reg number issues example spanish nie-tax registration date,one thing is for sure the Brits will complicate it.... to please the present english nationalist Brexit vote ie although brexit voter,s genrally dont want EU Cits deported they do expect an end to open borders.
this Brexit lark HAS hardend attitudes towards the Brits -govie wich could -can slow things down for people making decesions and as for the money we spend issue..... yer just one up from the lucky lucky man,with a villa,you will still be an imigrant,until you get an SP DNI Number
my veiw is the EU will offer Brits as a whole a current EU citizenship extension,but this undermines the Brexit and could lead to another IN vote within 10 years or less so the UK Red Neck Torys might not be so happy on that one,seeing as they have taken 40 years to get out...
Intresting times and all relevent to folks attitudes that are sigining the SP papers in govi offices so dont expect any thing apart from possible a longer wait IMHO.
Quote from: Roger on March 25, 2017, 13:05:44 PM
Why does this link to Brexit?
Simple.
In a few months there will be an agreement to protect permanent EU residents in the UK and UK residents in the EU.
The problem for the UK is to identify who are settled residents because the UK Government has not bothered in registering EU citizens in the UK, unlike Spain which does register everyone.
So when the time comes, very soon, to establish your right of abode in Spain it will be very useful to have proof.
Residencia
Town Hall Padron
Catastro Certificate plus payment proof of IBI.
Job done, residence guaranteed.
You will still not be Spanish, so it will be up to the Spanish Government, if they want to let you stay.
Of course they will, regardless of any paperwork you have, they want your money. Nothing will change.
Quote from: tandas on March 25, 2017, 13:53:46 PM
If you can get a Catastro certificate and numbered related IBI bills to pay then we'd be legal! Hurrah for that one. Until then no IBI payments from us. And as for Brexit no change from that for at least another 2 years and the Spanish will always want the income we spend here and the tax we pay.
Agree with you, I would not pay either.
Quote from: tandas on March 24, 2017, 14:35:43 PM
I expect we are all quite resigned now to the next delaying tactics from the Junta. Roger said they expected it to be signed by the 1st quarter so there's another week to go yet for anything to be thought up! Meanwhile the townhall is not receiving the IBI due from the 300+ properties awaiting legality.
I too am and have paid all up to date my IBI and I am one of the chosen few left awaiting Innovacion 14 so don't believe everything you hear.
Fidget
At least if you sre paying IBI on a non existent property on Unsegregated land, the Junta sre accepting the monies, you get a bill every year then when the time comes to make the all important decision, they took, accepted and spent your money, if you didn't have a physical something to be paying for, you wouldn't be getting billed.
Fm
Never had a bill for our non existant villa on our unsegregated land so nothing to pay. Where do you get a bill from? What's to say that you won't get a bill backdated 4 years in the future relating to your future registered property.
Our town hall must be well fed up just looked on Rogers Arboleas live and it appears innovation 14 will not be through end of March, what have they got to do for these planners turn on their heads and do somersaults, feel sorry for the people desperately waiting for their paperwork so they can move on- it appears our town hall are for some reason beating their heads up a brick wall
Well it is a complete change of planning law, if this goes through, just think of how many illegal houses, finished or unfinished in Spain, could then potentially be made legal ??
Just looked at townhalls site nothing new there about Inn 14 what are you on about?
there is as Freddie said info to say that innovation 14 wont be sorted by the end of march it must be like a kick in the proverbials for roger and his team
but equally frustrating for all of us without paperwork and personally I don't think it will come anytime soon
dick
Tandas
Are you looking at the town hall website or Arboleas live Rogers site? It's definitely on Rogers site
Sorry seen now freddie, wasn't there before. Typically we get to the next step and on it goes never ending. Pity ms Dias is more occupied with the race to lead the PSOE than she is with helping our townhall succeed in this task.
So what new reports are Urban Planing asking for now? What is the next step for those of us who want to leave? Do we just lock up and go? Thdre are so many villas like that now there will soon be no one left.!
Quote from: tandas on April 03, 2017, 14:29:35 PM
So what new reports are Urban Planing asking for now? What is the next step for those of us who want to leave? Do we just lock up and go? Thdre are so many villas like that now there will soon be no one left.!
there is no need to lock up and go,there will be a need to wait....all this Brexit snit and Gib Sabre rattling is been viewed very badly at the mo here,so there isn't going to be any rush by any officals to assist in Legalizing British enclaves.....wich is how high brit areas are seen.
As it now seems very likely that Innovation 14 will not go through in the near future, will it now be possible for all those in limbo to be considered to receive their paperwork through the AFOL scheme, which the AUAN negotiated with the powers that be? :051bye:
Trouble is Tets, some people have been waiting a long time, from years before the referendum.
If what you say is true, does'nt put the Spanish authorities in a good light. They were all happy to take the Brits money over the last forty + years : tourism, property purchases, spending in local businesses .
I fully understand why some people have had enough.
The afo scheme does not apply to any of the rustic houses in Arboleas,
because the amendment to the planning law which allows this route specifically excludes those houses which can be made fully legal.
The afo scheme is a means to obtain escrituras but the house remains outside urban planning laws.
In Arboleas the urban plan to urbanise the rustic houses has been prepared and is awaiting final approval.
We have been working on this for five and a half years, which in urban planning terms, including the UK, is a very short time.
I understand that people have been waiting a lot longer than this, but until October 2011 NOTHING had been done to start to solve the issue.
The attitude back then was "why are you so worried about an escritura, most local people have never had one".
And when people said that they wanted to sell their house they did not understand because in this area no-one moves on, and if they do they keep their house for when they return.
Quote from: zilnor on April 04, 2017, 16:26:09 PM
Trouble is Tets, some people have been waiting a long time, from years before the referendum.
If what you say is true, does'nt put the Spanish authorities in a good light. They were all happy to take the Brits money over the last forty + years : tourism, property purchases, spending in local businesses .
I fully understand why some people have had enough.
And the trouble is Zills this reffo / and UK anti EU ness combined with idiots like Howard have hardend attitudes here,il be very suprised if there is any rush with anything now to assist Brits with Idoits like Howard gobbing off the blokes a prxck and is un doing years of good will that decent honrable Brits have built up over the years here in Spain.
Tets,
Disagree with you.
If you are right then Spain is proving to be just another greedy state of the EU, that was so willing to take the Brits money over many years yet you say " there is no rush now with anything to assist Brits" . Why ? Why would they treat
" decent honourable Brits" in such a callous and uncaring manner ? Ungrateful bar stewards :banghead:
It is not "idiots like Howard" who have invested their hard earned money in their modest dream home in the Spanish sun and have suffered years of stress and uncertainty. People like Howard can afford to buy two or three houses in the sun, and if one goes wrong, do they care ? They can afford to write it off, and probably claim tax allowances .
All those Brits, mainly pensioners, are living under very stressful conditions , getting older and with no end in sight of their nightmare.
I am surprised that you seem to be more sympathetic towards the Spanish than your fellow Brits.
Buying an illegal house is a mistake you have made and gotta live with, if number 14 happens treat it as a bonus !!
To get things in perspective ...
In Arboleas
All houses have mains water and electric
All houses, including the illegal ones, are registered as legally occupied
All houses are registered for Council Tax (although some of the rustic houses are waiting for the bills to be sorted out)
Almost all houses have tarmac roads
No houses have been demolished, or are likely to be
The only problem with the delay are for people who want to sell and mostly want to move back to the UK.
For those who came here to live out their retirement there is no problem
unlike the serious and stressful situation in other areas such as Zurgena where they are in court to protect their homes.
It is difficult to explain to the Spanish why a lack of an escritura is a problem.
If you say that it is because they want to leave Spain and go back to the UK, you can imagine that does not impress.
They have welcomed us into their small community and do not want us to leave.
Quote from: zilnor on April 05, 2017, 01:43:41 AM
Tets,
Disagree with you.
If you are right then Spain is proving to be just another greedy state of the EU, that was so willing to take the Brits money over many years yet you say " there is no rush now with anything to assist Brits" . Why ? Why would they treat
" decent honourable Brits" in such a callous and uncaring manner ? Ungrateful bar stewards :banghead:
It is not "idiots like Howard" who have invested their hard earned money in their modest dream home in the Spanish sun and have suffered years of stress and uncertainty. People like Howard can afford to buy two or three houses in the sun, and if one goes wrong, do they care ? They can afford to write it off, and probably claim tax allowances .
All those Brits, mainly pensioners, are living under very stressful conditions , getting older and with no end in sight of their nightmare.
I am surprised that you seem to be more sympathetic towards the Spanish than your fellow Brits.
your not going to grasp it in Stafford,so we will have to dis agree,Roger Done has put his Retirment into helping people and like me understands the job,because we have both lived & worked here and basikly understand the job , its very diffrent to the pensioner pool clean & menu del dia hunt.
Quote from: Roger on April 05, 2017, 08:53:58 AM
To get things in perspective ...
In Arboleas
All houses have mains water and electric
All houses, including the illegal ones, are registered as legally occupied
All houses are registered for Council Tax (although some of the rustic houses are waiting for the bills to be sorted out)
Almost all houses have tarmac roads
No houses have been demolished, or are likely to be
The only problem with the delay are for people who want to sell and mostly want to move back to the UK.
For those who came here to live out their retirement there is no problem
unlike the serious and stressful situation in other areas such as Zurgena where they are in court to protect their homes.
It is difficult to explain to the Spanish why a lack of an escritura is a problem.
If you say that it is because they want to leave Spain and go back to the UK, you can imagine that does not impress.
They have welcomed us into their small community and do not want us to leave.
and that is it,Arboleas has come a long way since 2011.
With this British Gob Arse media, dont worry abought INO 14 we will be lucky if were not all deported or interned.....twxts :banghead:
http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/04/05/inenglish/1491374901_344175.html
Rog,just do the garden luv .....the jobs Xed but yer did yer best. ( ie a week today since A50 was served and were all ready at this level of shxte :banghead: )
" you're not going to grasp it in Stafford" . Fair enough, but it works both ways. You have lived out of the UK for 15 years so it can be argued that you don't fully appreciate what life is like there now.
To be clear about Roger, I am not criticising him. I have said more than once he is doing his best to help fellow Brits and deserves a round of applause.
You know I luvs ya Tets. :58:
Quote from: zilnor on April 05, 2017, 12:57:55 PM
" you're not going to grasp it in Stafford" . Fair enough, but it works both ways. You have lived out of the UK for 15 years so it can be argued that you don't fully appreciate what life is like there now.
To be clear about Roger, I am not criticising him. I have said more than once he is doing his best to help fellow Brits and deserves a round of applause.
You know I luvs ya Tets. :58:
Wong again Zills but hey...whats new :grin:
Have to agree with Zilnor, anyone who has lived out of the UK, for the past decade or two, hasn't a clue whats it's like. Some who have only been away for a couple of years have even forgotten !!
Quote from: PhillipJLloyd on April 05, 2017, 14:09:21 PM
Have to agree with Zilnor, anyone who has lived out of the UK, for the past decade or two, hasn't a clue whats it's like. Some who have only been away for a couple of years have even forgotten !!
well hopefully you two might even grasp the SP end as well.....eventually,now yer all uk genned up :great:
yer never know,yed could mebee assist Mayor Rog....with yer all experience in both countrys as well. :039:
however to summerize in the real world
houses were built on rustic land
the town hall is trying to get retrospective planning for a Brit retirement village
Brittan....is removing its self from the European community and in effect undermining the EU......because of EU imigration
attitudes are hardening.......DAILY
Gib & old peoples home UK pollies & some of the UK media are cranking bad feeling between Spain,UK,EU
ITS not rocket science to consider it could delay a planning signature.
Tetley, have to agree, Roger, banging head and brick wall ??
Interesting to know how many houses agents will sell in the near future ??
Quote from: PhillipJLloyd on April 05, 2017, 15:04:16 PM
Tetley, have to agree, Roger, banging head and brick wall ??
Interesting to know how many houses agents will sell in the near future ??
well by december you will be able to ask,When the plus valour money is totted up.....then compare it to 2015 16
Innovation 14 has been a subject for discussion on this forum since May 2014, three years ago and three years before the reffo !
Roger summed it up "It is difficult to explain to the Spanish why a lack of an escritura is a problem".
So their attitude is Whats the problem ?? so no rush and will it ever now be done ??
So what exactly IS the rush then PhillipJLloyd? Why not wait until it, eventually, gets done, maybe a generation or two from now? Isn't this the way things have always been done in Spain? As you kindly remind us?! Not a big problem, is it? Give it time. ::)
The only rush is if you want to sell.
Everyone has been told, make sure its legal. so buyers are cautious.
There is a buyer for everything at a price, but with all the fuss about illegal houses being made, its now not a level playing field, different to when most were purchased, at over inflated prices.
Those with illegal houses still might be better off selling now at a reduced price, rather than waiting and competing with lots "when or if" they are made legal and all those waiting to move market their houses
Fing is..... its glass half full for the no paperwork folks..... because if they don't own X all with no paperwork and assets under 15k they might get uk housing help,
were as if they have a registered home all publicly registered.... carnt sell,stuck on there own,in ill health they carnt get uk help/house trapped.
the other thing is a lot of stuff was sold on a private contract...although its a gray area and the contract is supposed to be publicly recorded, a lot arnt.
lets be honest with all this UK self inflicted bxllocks at the moment yer probably not going to sell with paperwork unless its very cheap.
what folks need to be looking at is how they can pass there homes on to the family ie the Spanish way that's been done over years,and just carry on enjoying there years.
Quote from: Tetley on April 06, 2017, 08:52:26 AM
Fing is..... its glass half full for the no paperwork folks..... because if they don't own X all with no paperwork and assets under 15k they might get uk housing help,
were as if they have a registered home all publicly registered.... carnt sell,stuck on there own,in ill health they carnt get uk help/house trapped.
the other thing is a lot of stuff was sold on a private contract...although its a gray area and the contract is supposed to be publicly recorded, a lot arnt.
lets be honest with all this UK self inflicted bxllocks at the moment yer probably not going to sell with paperwork unless its very cheap.
what folks need to be looking at is how they can pass there homes on to the family ie the Spanish way that's been done over years,and just carry on enjoying there years.
Tetley, you're on a roll this morning. :clap:
If you have a house in Spain whether legal or illegal you will not get no help with housing benefit in the UK.
You will also be classed as making yourself homeless by returning to the UK.
And if you can afford to buy anything over £125000 will clobber you with 2nd home stamp duty until you have sold your Spanish place, papers or no papers!
Quote from: Roy Thomas on April 06, 2017, 17:23:08 PM
If you have a house in Spain whether legal or illegal you will not get no help with housing benefit in the UK.
You will also be classed as making yourself homeless by returning to the UK.
I bet there are one or two return ees over the years that have over come your observation abought no help over the years....and recived help....probably just takes a bit of forward planning... pre departure lol
If you have a house in Spain and can't sell it, ( but any house will sell at a price ! ) and you return to the UK, you would be a bit silly to tell them !
If yer aint got no paperwork....yer own nowt on paper
yer go back ... pay yer own rent for 12 months,then apply for help if yer saving are under 14k if yer need help once yev re -established yer uk economic intrest.
befor yer set off
if possible get on yer kids utility bills,a bank acount from the address ,this will help with the landlord checks so yer can rent.
Depends how much your pensions are, ( if you're a pensioner) .
If you get more than around £170 a week, you'll get sfa , other than a 25% reduction on your council tax if you live on your own.
Quote from: zilnor on April 07, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
Depends how much your pensions are, ( if you're a pensioner) .
If you get more than around £170 a week, you'll get sfa , other than a 25% reduction on your council tax if you live on your own.
Zills this is incorrect,mi mams income is 11k a year,she get her accountant to do yer end of year return as she is still self emplyed,then she takes it all in to the housing office and they do the forms for her.
her rent is approx 95 quid a week and the full council tax is abougt 675 per year with the discount off,the housing pay approx 240 per month towards the rent,wich has made a massive diffrence to her life as she used to pay the lot,until a housing asc officer made yer fill all the form out and helped her.
Gets,
As your mum is self-employed her accountant may have been able to offset expenses against her earnings , which would reduce her net income, allowing her to receive some benefits. And certain benefits are age related. You are right about help with the rent. Good luck to her. She is of the generation who helped to put the Great in Great Britain. Bless em each and every one of em !
Quote from: Tetley on April 07, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
Quote from: zilnor on April 07, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
Depends how much your pensions are, ( if you're a pensioner) .
If you get more than around £170 a week, you'll get sfa , other than a 25% reduction on your council tax if you live on your own.
Zills this is incorrect,mi mams income is 11k a year,she get her accountant to do yer end of year return as she is still self emplyed,then she takes it all in to the housing office and they do the forms for her.
her rent is approx 95 quid a week and the full council tax is abougt 675 per year with the discount off,the housing pay approx 240 per month towards the rent,wich has made a massive diffrence to her life as she used to pay the lot,until a housing asc officer made yer fill all the form out and helped her.
Tets, you have to remember, everyone brings joy to the forum, some when they log in, the others, when they log out! :57:
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Zills Mar med 191 quid last year profit....tha man in the tax office said she should think abought retirin,but she said ..."work get mi out luv and id rather work away than waste away"
1930,s kids diffrent breed :grin: