Not sure if I like the new qualifying rules. A bit messy and even the commentators are unsure what's going on
It's absolute rubbish. Apparently Bernie Ecclestone wants to end the domination of Mercedes and he thought this would do it. All it has done is make what was one of the most exciting parts of the sport, Qualifying 3, boring. He didn't have the same sentiments when Red Bull were dominant.
I'm not so sure it has anything to do with any one team dominating. If there is a superior team then it will always be at the front, no matter what the qualifying rules are. The cream always rises to the top, as it has done this time.
I think it more likely it was an attempt to get cars on the track and if so, it certainly worked. Beats the public sitting looking at cars in the pits for half of each session.
With a little bit of tweaking, the new rules should work well in terms of entertainment. It's not perfect at the moment, but nobody has really had the time to work on strategies.
Strange isn't it all that messing about with the qualifying and we ended up with a really good race which had absolutely nothing to do with the changes.
The final starting order was pretty much as any fan could have predicted, based on the quality of the cars and the skill levels of the drivers. So, it's true to say that fiddling with the qualifying rules achieved absolutely nothing in that respect. As I said in my last post, the cream always rises to the top and I would have been more surprised if it had affected the start grid in any major way.
What the changes did do was to put cars on the track from the beginning of each session, thus providing the spectators with something to spectate. All too often, they had to hang around for half a session before any cars finally appeared on the track (the third session was often like that and could definitely be called boring). People pay a lot of money to go to these things in order to see cars tearing around a race track, not sitting the pits playing a game of russian roulette.
I don't think the new rules are perfect (and it seems that the teams and drivers aren't totally convinced either) but they are a step in the right direction and I'm sure there are people. sitting around a table right now,.deciding how to improve on them.
Thankfully common sense has prevailed and the new quali sessions have been kicked into the long grass. I saw nothing wrong with the old ones, so am glad they have been resurrected.
On a different note, has anyone any comments on the C4 coverage of F1. I personally found the Advert breaks a right pain in the posterior and can only hope that live coverage will not be subjected to the same as the highlighted one.
Thank God, Alonso walked away from what was one of the worst crashes seen in many a year. His guardian angel sure did his job.
Against the odds Hamilton wins the Hungarian GP , Ferrari on top all weekend and Mercedes struggling but come Qualifying the rains came and Mercedes locked out the Front row with Hamilton on Pole.
The race was still expected to go in Ferraris favour especially if they got off to a flier however Mercedes Pair kept their positions into the first two bends and kept the Ferraris behind , and they pitted Raikkonnen early Mercedes responded by pitting Bottas who maintained his lead over Raikkonnen Hamilton who was on the faster tyre than Vettel hung on for another 10 laps before pitting and that let Vettel take the lead, But Ferrari probably kept him out a bit longer than they should and with Bottas putting in two fast laps and Vettel pit stop slow because of a sticking wheel Bottas was back in 2nd Position and he held off Vettel and Raikkonnen until 5 laps from end by which time Hamilton was home and dry
1 Hamilton
2 Vettel
3 Raikkonnen
4 Ricciardo
5 Bottas
Hamilton now has a 24pt lead in the championship
I am a big F1 fan and a massive fan of Lewis, and it's nice to see someone else is too. I agree with all your comments about the race, but it all stem's from that brill race in Germany. Lewis was very down before that race, especially when he lost the GB grand prix, but with a bit of luck and fantastic driving he won the German GP. and you could see the confidence ooze out of him. I think now his confidence is so high it will be very hard for Seb to catch him. Also well done to Seb for being first to shake Lewis hand, as Lewis didn't after the GB race.
Can't wait for the next race.
Yes a good lead for Lewis , but I am still worried about the Ferraris they are certainly the faster car at the moment and especially at some of the races to come in Asia, but hopefully Lewis can win a few more before then a very interesting season
Quote from: Biggin on July 30, 2018, 09:09:10 AM
Yes a good lead for Lewis , but I am still worried about the Ferraris they are certainly the faster car at the moment and especially at some of the races to come in Asia, but hopefully Lewis can win a few more before then a very interesting season
Bill.
Did you see Ricciardo has signed for Renault.
Spanish two-time world champion Fernando Alonso has announced he is to retire from Formula 1.
The McLaren driver, 37, will at the end of this season conclude a career that began with a debut for Minardi at the Australian Grand Prix of 2001.
Hamilton on pole from Vettel and Ocon the final qualifying turned wet and that enabled Hamilton to take pole, had it been dry I think Vettell would be on pole
I hope I am wrong but I think Vettel will win tomorrow as long as it stays dry
Ferrari blow Mercedes out the water in an interview at the end of the race Hamilton said that Vettel passed him as if he was not even there. Ferrari definitely now the strongest/fastest car on the grid and Hamilton will now need a lot of luck to win the Championship.
Monza up next week and that would point to another Ferrari win.
Hamilton probably lucky this weekend tat Raikkonnen got a puncture in 1st corner incident and eventually retired, so next week Hamilton could be looking at 3rd
1 Vettel
2 Hamilton
3 Verstappen
4 Bottas
Bottas drove a good race after starting 17th and also involved in a 1st corner incident forcing him to pit and change strategy
Ferrari Lock out the Front row at Monza in a very tight Qualy first it was Hamilton on pole just to be pipped by Vettel who was in turn pipped by Raikkonnen
1 Raikkonnen
2 Vettel
3 Hamilton
4 Bottas
Against all the odds Hamilton wins in Monza he got off to a good start and got slip stream going into turns 3 & 4 and was overtaking Vettel on the outside Hamilton slightly in front when they had a coming together spinning Vettel who had to Pit for a new nose fortunately for him the safety car was brought out for another incident at the start so he joined the tail after the restart Hamilton passed Raikkonnen , but Raikkonnen the got by Hamilton. two were running close and Ferrari pitted first Mercedes left Hamilton out for another 8 laps and deployed Bottas to hold up Raikkonnen , when Bottas pitted Hamilton was on the tail of Raikkonnen who had taken too much out of his tyres early on and they started to Blister so Hamilton bided his time to take Raikkonnen with a good few laps to spare and when passed quickly built up a comfortable lead
1 Hamilton
2 Raikkonnen
3 Bottas
4 Vettel
Hamilton no has a 30pt lead in the Championship
Quote from: Biggin on September 02, 2018, 19:27:10 PM
Against all the odds Hamilton wins in Monza he got off to a good start and got slip stream going into turns 3 & 4 and was overtaking Vettel on the outside Hamilton slightly in front when they had a coming together spinning Vettel who had to Pit for a new nose fortunately for him the safety car was brought out for another incident at the start so he joined the tail after the restart Hamilton passed Raikkonnen , but Raikkonnen the got by Hamilton. two were running close and Ferrari pitted first Mercedes left Hamilton out for another 8 laps and deployed Bottas to hold up Raikkonnen , when Bottas pitted Hamilton was on the tail of Raikkonnen who had taken too much out of his tyres early on and they started to Blister so Hamilton bided his time to take Raikkonnen with a good few laps to spare and when passed quickly built up a comfortable lead
1 Hamilton
2 Raikkonnen
3 Bottas
4 Vettel
Hamilton no has a 30pt lead in the Championship
It was a good race, Hammy proving how good a driver he is. Vettel did his best to knobble him, but came off second best :grin:
Quote from: Angleseyite on September 02, 2018, 20:02:45 PM
Quote from: Biggin on September 02, 2018, 19:27:10 PM
Against all the odds Hamilton wins in Monza he got off to a good start and got slip stream going into turns 3 & 4 and was overtaking Vettel on the outside Hamilton slightly in front when they had a coming together spinning Vettel who had to Pit for a new nose fortunately for him the safety car was brought out for another incident at the start so he joined the tail after the restart Hamilton passed Raikkonnen , but Raikkonnen the got by Hamilton. two were running close and Ferrari pitted first Mercedes left Hamilton out for another 8 laps and deployed Bottas to hold up Raikkonnen , when Bottas pitted Hamilton was on the tail of Raikkonnen who had taken too much out of his tyres early on and they started to Blister so Hamilton bided his time to take Raikkonnen with a good few laps to spare and when passed quickly built up a comfortable lead
1 Hamilton
2 Raikkonnen
3 Bottas
4 Vettel
Hamilton no has a 30pt lead in the Championship
It was a good race, Hammy proving how good a driver he is. Vettel did his best to knobble him, but came off second best :grin:
Yes Angleseyite it was a good race and not the usual procession really good drive from Hamilton and for once the right Strategy calls from Mercedes , and must mention Bottas who had a supberb drive staying out as long and holding up Raikkonnen
As Damon Hill said on Sky's coverage yesterday, Ferrari have a big problem and it's called Lewis Hamilton. Long may that situation continue.
A few changes announced in the last few days. Kimi to leave Ferrari and rejoin his old team at Sauber and to be replaced by Leclerc. 18 year old Brit, Lando Norris is to take Vandoorne's place at McLaren alongside Carlos Sainz and will be the youngest driver to enter F1.
Hamilton takes a surprise Pole in Singapore with a stunning lap in is first run in 3rd part of qualifying
1 Hamilton
2 Verstappen
3 Vettel
4 Bottas
5 Raikkonnen
Hamilton wins in Singapore and extends his Championship lead to 40 pts . It was an uneventful race Vettel passed Verstappen on the 1st lap, but Verstappen regained that place at the pit stops. So final placings were as the grid start so Hamilton's exceptional lap in qualifying won him the race
1 Hamilton
2 Verstappen
3 Vettel
4 Bottas
5 Raikkonnen
Bottas take pole in Russia in a Mercedes 1-2 Vettel 3rd
Hamilton wins in Russia to move 50pts clear of Vettel but only after team orders for Bottas to let Hamilton through.
Mercedes nearly blew it on strategy they brought in Bottas ASIs correct as he was in the lead , and they should have brought Hamilton in next lap but they did not and Vettel did so Hamilton comes in next lap and comes out behind Vettel fortunately fo Mercedes Vetel made a slight mistake and Hamilton got past thereafter they were concerned about Hamiltons tyres and so ordered the switch
1 Hamilton
2 Bottas
3 Vettel
4 Raikkonnen
5 Verstappen
I think the way Lewis is driving at the moment he could have passed Bottas in a straight fight, but fair play to Bottas letting him pass. As for team orders don't anyone be in any doubt that Ferrari would have done the same.
Well today's race was "a walk in the park" for Lewis, putting him 57 points ahead of Vettel. I think it is amusing that Ferrari's second biggest problem seems to be Verstappen, who seems to cause both Kimi and Vettel hassle with his agresive driving style.
Correction Dunners Vettel is 67 points behind Hamilton :laugh:
Quote from: Biggin on October 07, 2018, 19:20:08 PM
Correction Dunners Vettel is 67 points behind Hamilton :laugh:
What's 10 points between friends. It is not that they are rivals.lol lol.
It will probably be over after this next weekends race, with Lewis taking the title again.
Quote from: Dunedin on October 18, 2018, 13:03:44 PM
Quote from: Biggin on October 07, 2018, 19:20:08 PM
Correction Dunners Vettel is 67 points behind Hamilton :laugh:
What's 10 points between friends. It is not that they are rivals.lol lol.
It will probably be over after this next weekends race, with Lewis taking the title again.
I hope so Dunners, If Lewis wins then I think we need somebody other than Vettel in 2nd place for him to take the title
Quote from: Biggin on October 18, 2018, 22:04:23 PM
Quote from: Dunedin on October 18, 2018, 13:03:44 PM
Quote from: Biggin on October 07, 2018, 19:20:08 PM
Correction Dunners Vettel is 67 points behind Hamilton :laugh:
What's 10 points between friends. It is not that they are rivals.lol lol.
It will probably be over after this next weekends race, with Lewis taking the title again.
I hope so Dunners, If Lewis wins then I think we need somebody other than Vettel in 2nd place for him to take the title.
Bottas or Verstappen. :lipsrsealed:
Hamilton takes Pole in the US from Vettel, Raikkonnen, Bottas and Ricciardo but Vettel has a 3 grid place Penalty so will start from 5th
Could be interesting as in 2nd Qualy Raikkonnen is on Ultra Soft Tyres whilst Vettel, Hamilton, Bottas are all on Softs. Looks like Ferrari are hoping that Raikkonnen will get the jump on Hamilton with the Grippier tyres and therefore control the start of the Race to help Vettel trying to regain places.
So, Lewis will have to fight another day for this seasons title. Max a well deserved "Driver of the day" and a good drive from Kimi.
Kimi,Max, Lewis on the podium.
Mercedes Strategy buggered up Lewis race pitting him far too early when a virtual safety car putting him on to what could lead to a two stop strategy and that did happen so he lost out when everyone else did one
Well done to Kimi and Max. I do agree that Lewis was pitted to early, but I also think they have the grid the wrong way round ie the pol sitter should be on the inside not on the outside as he is disadvantaged by the time he gets to the corner at the top of the hill. Maybe they can change it for next year.
Quote from: stean on October 24, 2018, 08:35:19 AM
Well done to Kimi and Max. I do agree that Lewis was pitted to early, but I also think they have the grid the wrong way round ie the pol sitter should be on the inside not on the outside as he is disadvantaged by the time he gets to the corner at the top of the hill. Maybe they can change it for next year.
Yes Stean I agree the pole sitter is on the wrong side of the grid and Eddie Jordan has been making that point for a couple of years but nothing changes.
Mercedes biggest mistake was leaving Hamilton out too long on 2nd set of tyres , they should have pitted him when he was 19secs in the lead he (they waited until 12 secs) would then have been out in front of Max and right behind Kimi on fresh tyres.
However it was nice to see Kimi winning and a great drive from Max it will be interesting to see how Red Bull goes with the Honda engine if it has more power then the Renault it could be a very interesting season next year.
In the right car I have no doubt the Max will be a world champion of the future
Red Bull lock out the front row in Mexico but it was Ricciardo that takes Pole when everyone was expecting it to be Verstappen
1 Ricciardo
2 Vertsappen
3 Hamilton
4 Vettel
5 Bottas
6 Raikkonnen
congratulations to Lewis for winning the world championship, although he had a scruffy race he did enough to get the points. And well done to Max for his win, what a great racer he is he will no doubt be world champ one day.
I have to agree Stean great race from Max and next year with a Honda engine if they get it right for power and reliability Red Bull could be a real force next year
Mercedes never seem to do too well in Mexico as they seem to eat up the tyres more than others if they could just get the aero of Red Bull I think they would be untouchable.
Ferrari they looked to have the speed back 7mph faster than Mercedes in Straight line Speed in Mexico of course some of that could be down to Aero dynamics
And congratulations to Lewis there was a point in the season it looked like Ferrari and Vettel would walk away with the title, but Lewis never gave up and got his reward
There is talk in high places of "Sir" Lewis Hamilton. :smiley:
Hamilton takes pole in Brazil from Vettel , Bottas and Raikkonnen. Vettel however is under investigation for failing to Follow stewards at the weigh Bridge.
Ferarri played a cute one on second Qualy going out on the fastest tyre but coming back in without doing a time lap and switched to the longer lasting soft tyre , so Mercedes and Ferrari will be on Different tyre strategies.
Mercedes will have the grip to get off the line and move away but Ferrari will not need to pit as early so it could be an interesting race. That however all goes out the window if it rains :laugh:
The plan must be to get points for Bottas to move him up the leader board as well as to seal the constructors championship.
Sebastian Vettel got away with his latest red-mist moment, but the controversy over his behaviour at the weighbridge in qualifying at the Brazilian Grand Prix revived memories of other incidents in which his temper has cost him dearly.
On Saturday, the trigger was that the Ferrari driver was called by the FIA's random selection process for his car to be weighed as he came into the pits early in second qualifying.
The issue for Vettel was that rain was in the air, and Ferrari had just taken a huge strategy gamble, to come back in for a different type of tyre, and having his car weighed could have meant that he suffered very badly.
It takes time to weigh a car and with threatening clouds over Interlagos it was very possible that it could have rained before Vettel had set a lap time.
Vettel let his impatience and frustration get the better of him.
As the stewards report said: "The driver did not stop the engine at the time he was directed by the official at the scales, knocked over the cone placed to stop the driver from driving onto the scales, which he then did
"At the time he was being shown a sign to have his "brakes on" by an official who was standing in front of the car, and while not hitting the official did force him out of the way while driving onto the scales. He then turned off the engine.
"Once the weight was taken, he then did not wait for the officials to push the car off the scales, and while the stewards accept that he may have misunderstood the indication from the official, he then re-fired the car and drove off the scales, which is not the procedure because it can damage the scales, which in this case he did.
"While no-one was hurt by the scales being thrown out from behind the car, and while the stewards accept that the driver did not drive off the scales in a reckless manner, the procedure is established exactly to prevent damage to the scales or a potentially dangerous situation, which is exactly what was caused."
In the end, the stewards decided to issue only a reprimand and a €25,000 fine - not a major problem for a man earning something in the region of €30m.
Contrary to the FIA's initial communication, Vettel did stop the engine when on the scales, and they were able to properly weigh the car.
This is probably what stopped Vettel receiving a further punishment. If a driver ignores a request for his car to be weighed, the normal penalty is to be sent to the back of the grid - ensuring a racing car is the correct weight is one of the fundamentals of motorsport, as weight has a significant effect on lap time.
It was not hard to see why Vettel was annoyed, but at the same time, rules are rules. It's not up to the competitors to decide whether they comply with them. As Fernando Alonso put it: "It's not ideal because the weather can affect things. Maybe the rule is not the best. But it is the way it is."
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Meanwhile after War and Peace above, :laugh: Verstappen gets 2 hours of community work for pushing Ocon in the weigh room following a light collision on the track. He believes it cost him the race, even though he was partly to blame in my opinion. It reminded me of an incident in the past when James Hunt blamed another driver over a coming together and downed him with a right to the chin while still still on the track with the race still running.
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Having seen, as others have, the young driver in F3 this weekend, taking off and flying through the air like a jet taking off before crashing into buildings at over 100 mph shows that street circuits with little or no runoff area's are too dangerous. As Biggin knows, I have been saying this for years. She has gone into theatre this morning to repair her spine.
Mercedes create a record at Abu Dhabi by being the 1st team to lock out the front row of the grid at the same venue for 5 years in a row
With Kimi breaking down on the track, it looks as if Bottas will move up into 3rd place in the Championship.
Spoke too soon. Bottas dropped back from 2nd to 5th with only a couple of laps to go.
So Lewis wins again followed by Vettel and Verstappen. Dramatic crash on the start of the race with a full rollover, but no injuries. :laugh:
Today is Schumacher's 50th birthday as he continues his recovery at home in Switzerland. He has not been seen in public since his skiing accident and his current health has not been made public.
Micheal Schumacher has been seen in public for the first time since his accident and appears to be on the right road to recovery. 8)
Hamilton quickest in both practice sessions. But is Vettel posting a dummy. :wink:
Well in winter testing all the talk was of Ferrari Speed , now where the talking is done in the qualifying Mercedes lock out the front row with Hamilton 1st Bottas 2nd and Vettel 3rd 7 tenths of a second behind Hamilton and 5 tenths behind Bottas.
1 Hamilton
2 Bottas
3 Vettel
4 Verstappen
5 Le Clerc
Bottas took the lead in the 1st corner and never looked back finishing well ahead of Hamilton Verstappen 3rd Vettel 4th Leclerc 5th
Vettel pitted first and Mercedes pitted Hamilton next I would assume to cover Vettel and he did come out ahead but the new tyres did not seem to be working . Bottas went another 7 laps before pitting, Verstappen was last to pit and eventually past Vettel.
Shame on Ferrari Le Clerc on a different tyre strategy closed down a 12 second gap and in position to Pass Vettel and was told to back FGS Ferrari its the 1st race of the season let them race
1Bottas
2 Hamilton
3 Verstappen
4 Vettel
5 Le Clerc
Just to confirm Ferrari Team Orders on the first race here is quote from Le Clerc's Post race interview
On whether he asked if he was able to overtake team-mate Sebastian Vettel late on, Leclerc says: "I asked, we had to keep positions."
Ferrari should be ashamed of themselves what happens if Leclerc seems to be faster in the next races do they hold him backjust to please Vettel - that would be a big mistake.
Something that you don't see at Mercedes they let their drivers race until it becomes a situate=ion where one or other is clearly in better contention for a title, like last year when it was important for Hamilton to get points
The new Farrari driver Charles Leclerc was quickest in first practice at 0.26 seconds quicker than teammate Vettel and a second quicker than Bottas. Hamilton was over a second slower than Leclerc.
Vettel led in second practice, followed by his teamate Leclerc with Hamilton 0.6 second behind.
Leclerc on his Ferrari debut takes pole position. He was quickest in all of the qualifying sessions.
Vettel takes his place alongside on the front row, whilst Hamilton and Bottas are on the second row.
Qualifying is not racing, so let's see what tomorrow brings. :tongue:
Ferrari were dominant, great to see Lecrerc get pole. Don’t know what they have done to get this improvement. As you say the race might well be different
I just hope if Leclerc is winning Ferrari don't engineer something to get Vettel ahead. They certainly looked too fast for Mercedes today
Brilliant drive from Leclerc only to lose the win due to a lack of power from the hybrid side of the car.
One thing certain, this is only the start of his potential winning of F1 races, as he has done through his championship wins in karting, GP3 and GP2.
Hamilton,
Bottas,
Leclerc,
Verstappen,
Vettel,
Norris.
This year looks like a real battle between five drivers. :tongue:
Yes an excellent drive from Leclerc would have won by a handsome mile if it had not been for his power unit problem. Once again Vettel showed his weaknesses again when under pressure.
I wonder now if Ferrari will regret telling Leclerc to hold station behind Vettel in Australia ::) ::) it certainly looks like he is faster than Vettel .
Mercedes certainly have a fight on their hands this year as at the moment it looks like Ferrari are the fastest at the moment
So, Vettel quickest in first practice followed by Hamilton, Leclerc, Verstappen and Bottas.
In second practice it was Bottas quickest from Vettel, Verstappen then Hamilton.
If you want your new driver to feel wanted and respected, the last thing you do is to tell the world that You as a rookie will be given team orders on the track when racing in order for your team mate to win rather than you, even after you almost won the last race and didn't only because car failure.
Well done Ferrari.
Despite all the talk of the possible dominance of Ferrari this year, Bottas takes pole in qually followed by Hamilton, Vettel and Leclerc. The differences between the cars were only two hundredths of a second between the two Mercedes and even less between the two Ferrari's. It looks like it's not only Hamilton that Vettel has to worry about. :tongue:
Did you mean Mercedes?
I won't post the results as there maybe some who have not seen the race yet.
But I will say, Ferrari, you deserve to lose good drivers. Will they ever learn. :evil:
So the race number 1,000 has been won by Hamilton who led after passing Bottas off the start line.
Ferarri didn't like the idea that Leclerc was ahead of Vettel during the race so gave him team orders to let Vettel pass him. This in turn gave Verstappen the chance to take 4th pushing Leclerc into 5th.
Hamilton,
Bottas,
Vettel,
Verstappen,
Lectern.
Hamilton now leads the Championship.
Yes Dunedin I have to agree with you telling Leclerc to let Vettel past as he was quicker yet he could not pull away from Leclerc then they compromised Leclerc in order to get Vettel closer to Bottas and that failed and costing him a place , I just hope that comes back and bites them
Strange start to the season. Mercedes carrying on where they left off.
Red bull doing excellent with the Honda power unit, something McLaren couldn't do.
Ferrari looking strong in practice and qualifying, but struggling in the race.
But Williams! Using Mercedes powerunit, gearbox but way off the pace of the rest of the field.
Ex Ferrari driver from the past has slammed Ferrari for given team orders in all 3 races this year. Gerard Berger said it should be an open game when racing as they have a new young driver capable of being quicker than Vettel and capable of winning the Championship. Many are agreeing with his sentiments.
Quote from: Dunedin on April 20, 2019, 17:35:16 PM
Ex Ferrari driver from the past has slammed Ferrari for given team orders in all 3 races this year. Gerard Berger said it should be an open game when racing as they have a new young driver capable of being quicker than Vettel and capable of winning the Championship. Many are agreeing with his sentiments.
Me too.
Red Bull are using the upgraded Honda engine this weekend and it will be interesting to see if it performs enough to improve their track times.
It's all happening,(or not) in Azerbaijan first practice as a manhole cover on the track became loose after it was loosened by Leclerc's Ferrari, which led to British driver George Russell's Williams being damaged as it smashed his floor which then shut down. This led to the practice being cancelled.
The farce continued as the truck taking Russell's car back to the pits, crashed into a bridge over the track. ::) :laugh: :laugh.
You couldn't make it up.
After a delay the second practice commenced with young Leclerc being the quickest 0.324 seconds ahead of Vettel and Hamilton. During practice, twice red flags stopped the session due to two crashes involving Stroll and Kvyat.
I don't know if I am the only one who didn't realize that Sky have the sole rights on F1 for this season.
C4 will not have any live races but only show races later. I for one will not subscribe to any channel that shows adverts that are being paid for and to show every 15 minutes and charges subscribers for watching.
This will surely reduce the interest in the sport. At least in the past it has always been shared between 2 Chanel's.
I don't bother to watch it now !! It is just a parade, if the wrong person is in the lead they are told to move over, that is NOT racing !!! Formula E more interesting.
Bottas takes pole from Hamilton Vettel Verstappen and Perez Leclrec crashed in Q2
Bottas wins from Hamilton to take the lead in the Championship.
Bottas,
Hamilton,
Vettel,
Verstappen,
Leclerc.
Leclerc lead most of the race until his tyres gave up their grip. Many comments coming regarding Ferrari keeping him out for two thirds of the race on the tyres he started on. Is this the strategy to stop him beating Vettel.
Good win for Bottas who held off Hamilton in the first few corners great driving from them both keeping the cars apart and they pulled away from Vettel , He Pitted first and Bottas and then Hamilton followed this allowed Leclerc to take the lead , and Ferrari did keep him out far too long and I think that was to ensure Vettel stayed ahead of him , but even if they had pitted him earlier Bottas and Hamilton would have passed him in the pit stop, although it would have made it a much more interesting race.
4 1-2 finishes in a row for Mercedes and this over the Ferrari that is supposed to be Faster ::) ::)
Vettel says it's getting very boring with Mercedes dominating the tracks. 4 ones and twos in 4 races and dominating the Championship for the last 4 years. Is that because he is not winning.? :wink:
Bottas on Pole for Spanish GP doing his time on the first of his 2 runs setting a new track record and 6tenths ahead of Hamilton. Leclerc damaged his under carriage in Qualy 2 so only had 1 run in Qualy 3
1 Bottas
2 Hamilton
3 Vettel
4 Verstappen
5 Leclerc
I noticed that Leclerc was quicker than Vettel in the practice sessions.
Hamilton gets off to a flyer and takes Bottas at the first bend and led from start to Finish, Vertsappen gets past the two Ferraris in the first couple of bends and kept them behind. So another 1-2 for Mercedes. Ferrari again getting in a tangle Vettel flat spotted his front tyre at the first bend and with Leclerc behind an faster they kept him there for 4 or 5 laps as the front 3 disappeared then they put Leclerc onto the slowest tyre hoping I suppose to do a one stopper and when Vettel caught up kept him behind for a few laps before telling Leclerc to move over. They just cant get it right at the moment.
A safety car near the end brought them all together again but Verstappen easily held off the Ferraris
1 Hamilton
2 Bottas
3 Vertsappen
4 Vettel
5 Leclerc
The new owners of F1 are looking to increase the number of races in the future. Negotiations are taking place to have an African Grand Prix which has not run since 1993. The venue will be Morocco.
I hope for the drivers sake it will be in January.😎 Marrakech is also a possibility. The Dutch Grand Prix will return next year for the first time since 1985 due to the popularity of Max Verstappen.
I think I read somewhere that they will not increase it above the 21 races currently on the Calendar so the likelihood is that we will lose a couple that are currently on the Calendar , two that are in doubt at the moment are Silverstone and Barcelona
Bill, I can't see there not being a British Grand Prix as the majority of constructors are based here. You could say the UK is the home of F1. I can't see Spain giving up F1 either.
Rising future F1 star teenager Billy Monger, who had both his legs amputated after a crash 2 years ago has returned to the track and took his first win since his tragic accident.😎
Formula 1 and 3 times World Champion legend Nikki Lauder dies at the age of 70. He was badly burned in a serious crash in 1976. He had a lung transplant last year but passed away yesterday. A film called 'Rush'was made about his constant rivalry and battles both on and off thr track with playboy driver James Hunt.
A very inspirational man, sadly now gone.
He will be sadly missed a great competitor RIP Nikki
It has been weird not seeing him in the paddock since mid last season.
I loved how brutally honest he was with the TV presenters.
But, after the horrendous crash he had back in the day, he was extremely lucky, not only to continue racing but to have lived up to 70 years old.
Hamilton Quickest in both of today's practice. Very subdued in the pits due to the passing of Lauder.
In the first practice he edged out Verstappen who was followed by Bottas and Leclerc.
Second practice was Hamilton, Bottas followed by Vettel. Leclerc missed out most of the practice with a water leak coming in 10th.
It is being reported in some quarters that F1 is losing its interest from some of its followers in the UK due to single coverage by Sky. In the days when the BBC had covered it, it was good. It wasn't so bad when it has been shared. But now you have to pay Sky or watch later when you allready know the result as it hits all the news channels.
Hamilton took pole position today in Monaco with Bottas close behind. Verstappen took 3rd place ahead of Vettel. Another Ferrari cockup as they didn't send Lercerc out for a second run in the first session, so he took no further part and starts 16th on his home race.😕
Yes , leclerc is not a happy bunny, but great for Hammy, hope he can convert it into a win....
I think that although Monaco is generally a train/street of following cars, it will make it more interesting to see if Leclerc can fight his way through the pack like Hamilton used to do and catch Vettel.😎
Yes big mistake from Ferrari as regards Leclerc and Vettel again not going well crashing in the free practice 3 , Bottas a bit unlucky going for final run got held up in traffic so tyres were not where he wanted and abandoned his final run.
It had been nip and tuck between him and Hamilton and he was just ahead right until the last.
What an improvement in the Mercedes as Monaco was not one of there stronger circuits but they seem to have sorted out the slow corner problems they have had for the last few seasons so looks like they are going to be very difficult to beat this season.
Good drive from Verstappen in the Red Bull who are usually very strong here.
Leclerc has said in an interview he is going to have to take chances to improve his position even to the point of crashing so it could be an interesting race.
Agree, Ferrari management not clever again. I wonder what lap the safety car will come on?
Red Bull & Stewards cost Mercedes another 1-2 top 4 came into the pits under safety car Bottas in 2nd place held up 3&4th car as Mercedes had to stack on way out Red Bull made an unsafe release so Verstappen hit Bottas resulting in a puncture for Bottas which meant he had to pit on the next lap so coming out behind Vettel in fourth .
Unsafe release normally results in a drive through and stewards award a 5 second penalty but give another driver 10 seconds for causing an accident.
Mercedes had went for the medium tyres at the pit stop and had Bottas been behind Hamilton it woul have been no problem as they would have dictated the pace and managed the tyres. Red Bull and Ferrari went for the hard tyre so would easily make the finish. However with Verstappen behind Hamilton he pushed Hamilton into going faster than he would have liked, but he could not get by.
Hamilton did 67 laps on the medium tyre that Pirreli say has a life of 50 laps.
1 Hamilton
2 Vettel
3 Bottas
4 Verstappen
You never know what can result from a bad decision.
If Ferrari hadn't kept Leclerc in the pits during the first session of qualifying, he would probably have started in the first or second row and wouldn't have got the bit between his teeth in the race having to drive like crazy.
Hamilton led Bottas in first practice in Canada with Leclerc in 3rd and Verstappen in 4th.
In second practice Leclerc was quickest with Vettel behind him again. Hamilton collided with the wall while Bottas came in 3rd. behind Vettel.
Leclerc is proving he is a quicker driver than Vettel.
Vettel takes pole from Hamilton followed by Leclerc.
Mercedes discovered a Hydraulic leak in Hamilton's engine that required a complete strip out a job that normally take about 6 hrs was completed in just over 2 and Half hours . Will reliability be an issue???
Hamilton crosses the line 2nd but wins the GP he was putting pressure on Vettel and Vettel made a mistake went into grass and came back onto the track forcing Hamilton to break heavily and Stewards awarded a 5 sec penalty to Vettel .
To say he was not a happy bunny was an understatement.
Hamilton lost ground at that point but then made it up again but admitted in Interview that in the last few laps although only half second behind he did not have the brakes for him to make an overtake and knowing that he only needed to finish within 5 secs did not take the chance. he also said that is not the way he likes to win a race
1 Hamilton
2 Vettel
3 Le Clerc
4 Bottas
Fastest Lap Bottas
Clever driving by Hammy, but I could see why Vettel wasn't happy, not much he could do once he left the track, but he did interfere with Hamilton's process. Bit tough but that's the rules. :grin:
I though it was funny when Vettel walked into the parked up cars at the end and switched the boards showing finishing positions. Bad loser.😄
First practice at the French Grand Prix has Hamilton led team mate Bottas and Leclerc in 3rd.
Bottas quickest in second practice, meanwhile Ferrari's appeal over Vettels penalty is upheld.
Mercedes lock out the front row again Vettel aborted his first run saying the upshift failed at one point and could only manage 7 th in final run
1 Hamilton
2 Bottas
3 Leclerc
4 Verstappen
5 Norris
6 Sainz
7 Vettel
Quote from: Biggin on June 22, 2019, 15:07:17 PM
Mercedes lock out the front row again Vettel aborted his first run saying the upshift failed at one point and could only manage 7 th in final run
1 Hamilton
2 Bottas
3 Leclerc
4 Verstappen
5 Norris
6 Sainz
7 Vettel
Leclerc still doing good.😄
Please note some of us may not watch it live, as we’re out all day. Don’t really want to know the results until we’ve watched it later. Can be a bit of a spoiler. Thanks.
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Quote from: King on June 23, 2019, 09:31:00 AM
Quote from: Dunedin on June 21, 2019, 12:47:24 PM
First practice at the French Grand Prix has Hamilton led team mate Bottas and Leclerc in 3rd.
Bottas quickest in second practice, meanwhile Ferrari's appeal over Vettels penalty is upheld.
Where did you read that?
I read that the stewards refused to even consider Ferrari's appeal: it was rejected!
That's also my understanding, that the 5sec penalty still stands, so Hammy was awarded the win. If there is evidence to the contrary, I would like to read it... So if you ( Dunedin) could make us aware I would be grateful..
Ferrari's attempt to overturn the penalty that cost Sebastian Vettel victory in the Canadian Grand Prix has been rejected by Formula 1 officials.
The team met with race stewards at the French Grand Prix on Friday to argue for a right to review the incident.
But stewards found that Ferrari had presented "no significant and relevant new elements which were unavailable to the parties at the time".
Dunedin usually Spot on but I think in this case he has been thinking about something else and posted incorrectly . The appeal as all have said was rejected.
to yesterdays race a straight forward win for Hamilton well ahead Bottas managed to hold of Leclerc for 2nd . Bottas was about 6 seconds ahead when a virtual safety car was in operation but when it went back to normal racing he could not get the tyres back to temperature an Leclerc closed right up but could not get buy , maybe just as well only 2 laps left or I think Leclerc would have passed him
1 Hamilton
2 Bottas
3 Leclerc
Vettell got the fastest lap by going in 2 laps to go and putting on a set of soft tyres
Sorry folks, got it wrong. I read that although Ferrari had their appeal rejected and they accepted it they where looking for clarification of the rules last Friday before the race as they and others feel it was wrong. I should have said the rule had been upheld.
Sorry.
Quote from: Dunedin on June 24, 2019, 18:31:08 PM
Sorry folks, got it wrong. I read that although Ferrari had their appeal rejected and they accepted it they where looking for clarification of the rules last Friday before the race as they and others feel it was wrong. I should have said the rule had been upheld.
Sorry.
Nothing wrong in getting something in correct, remember the old adage, "Those that have never broke anything, have obviously never done anything". :grin:
21 year old Leclerc breaks the lap record and puts Ferrari on pole for the first time this year in Austria. Maybe now Ferrari will recognize their best talent.
Front 2 rows.
Leclerc,
Hamilton,
Verstappen,
Bottas,
The new owners of F1 who want to hold a race in Londons Dock area is causing Silverstone to reconsider their plans to sign a new contract.
IMO there are too many street circuits and what about the traffic congestion in London.😱
Quote from: Dunedin on June 29, 2019, 15:27:34 PM
The new owners of F1 who want to hold a race in Londons Dock area is causing Silverstone to reconsider their plans to sign a new contract.
IMO there are too many street circuits and what about the traffic congestion in London.😱
I totally agree with you Dunners another street circuit is not what F1 needs
Hamilton gets 3 place grid penalty for blocking in Qualy 1 so now starts 5
1 Leclerc
2 Verstappen
3 Bottas
4 Norris
5 Hamilton
Quote from: Biggin on June 29, 2019, 18:58:16 PM
Hamilton gets 3 place grid penalty for blocking in Qualy 1 so now starts 5
1 Leclerc
2 Verstappen
3 Bottas
4 Norris
5 Hamilton
Thanks for giving it away again. As I said previously some of us can’t watch it until later.
Quote from: lmj52 on June 29, 2019, 21:17:19 PM
Quote from: Biggin on June 29, 2019, 18:58:16 PM
Hamilton gets 3 place grid penalty for blocking in Qualy 1 so now starts 5
1 Leclerc
2 Verstappen
3 Bottas
4 Norris
5 Hamilton
Thanks for giving it away again. As I said previously some of us can’t watch it until later.
SORRY FROM ME. I won't post until after the race has been shown on Ch 4.
Quote from: lmj52 on June 29, 2019, 21:17:19 PM
Quote from: Biggin on June 29, 2019, 18:58:16 PM
Hamilton gets 3 place grid penalty for blocking in Qualy 1 so now starts 5
1 Leclerc
2 Verstappen
3 Bottas
4 Norris
5 Hamilton
Thanks for giving it away again. As I said previously some of us can’t watch it until later.
Sorry if I have spoiled it for you I did not think that where he starts was all that important
Quote from: Biggin on June 30, 2019, 08:57:13 AM
Quote from: lmj52 on June 29, 2019, 21:17:19 PM
Quote from: Biggin on June 29, 2019, 18:58:16 PM
Hamilton gets 3 place grid penalty for blocking in Qualy 1 so now starts 5
1 Leclerc
2 Verstappen
3 Bottas
4 Norris
5 Hamilton
Thanks for giving it away again. As I said previously some of us can’t watch it until later.
Sorry if I have spoiled it for you I did not think that where he starts was all that important
Think you’re missing the point. Qualifying can be quite exciting to watch, but not if you already know the outcome
Simple answer is, if you haven't watched it, then either don't come on the Forum until you have, or at least certainly don't read any topics with the subject title "F1 Grand Prix".
Quote from: byrney on June 30, 2019, 10:07:40 AM
Simple answer is, if you haven't watched it, then either don't come on the Forum until you have, or at least certainly don't read any topics with the subject title "F1 Grand Prix".
Problem is I always use the facility for un read posts. So it’s there in the opening page so difficult to miss. So answer was not that simple. Thanks for your advice though.
:grin:
The times I have kept away from the news or anywhere it might appear, but suddenly when you don't expect it, it is announced. Anyway race over. The best for over a year.
Verstappen,
Leclerc,
Bottas.
You have to feel sorry for Lerclerc for leading for the whole race only to be pipped in the last 2 laps.
And welcome back to Honda, it's been a long time getting back.😄
First practice has Red Bull's Grasly setting the pace ahead of Bottas and Verstappen. Grosjean crashed in the pit lane.😧
In second practice, Bottas led Hamilton, Leclerc and Vettel.
Leclerc quickest in first practice today followed by Vettel.
Qually for British GP.
Pole,
Bottas,
Hamilton,
Leclerc,
Verstappen
Gasly,
Vettel.
How long before Ferrari recognise Leclerc as their lead driver. 😎
Good Qualy and slight mistakes from Hamilton on his 1st run probably cost him Pole position, but well done to Bottas. Have to agree with Dunedin time Ferrari recognised Leclerc as their no 1 driver, I wonder if they regret those early race instructions to Let Vettel through.
A bit of side show Eddie Jordan says he thinks Vettel will finish up at Mercedes, along with Verstappen and Hamilton will be at Ferrari ::) ::) I think Eddie is just being a mischievous :laugh: :laugh:
Personally I cant see Mercedes taking Vettel he is now making too many mistakes and his age is against him, I would think that in the Future Mercedes would be more likely to go for Norris and if available LeClerc
Very good race with plenty going on.
Vettel 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 and with a 10 sec penalty. Next race in Germany should see Leclerc pass Vettel on points.
Winner Hamilton
Second Bottas
Third Leclerc.
Championship Standings. Top five.
Hamilton ....223 points
Bottas........184
Verstappen 136
Vettel.........123
Leclerc.......120
Some great racing today Hamilton and Bottas really have a go at each other Hamilton passes Bottas only for him to take the ;lead again ,Verstappen and Sainz against the Ferraris.
Bottas unlucky in as much he went in for Tyres and they put on the same soft tyres as they were intending a 2 stop race but Hamilton stayed out for a few more laps and was the beneficiary of a safety car so popped in to pits put on a hard set of tyres as most others did and Vettel was the lucky Driver from the Ferrari garage as he went from 5th to 3rd and Leclerc coming out in 5th from being in 3rd .Leclerc and Verstappen had been having a great race with Leclerc driving excellently to stop Verstappen getting past.
But after these pit stops Verstappen was chasing down Vettel and when he got by Vettel then run straight into the back of Verstappen putting them both in the gravel both managed to get out but Vettel had to go into pit for new nose, Verstappens car was amazingly in one piece and he managed to carry on and finished 5th
Vettel picked up a 10 sec Penalty for causing the accident hardly a fitting punishment given that he emerged at the back of the pack and Verstappen loses finishing 3rd
Red Bull are coming on strong and the Honda engine that was doing nothing in the MacLaren last year is going well this year If they can further improve then we could have some great racing between Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull
Quote from: Biggin on July 14, 2019, 20:47:19 PM
But after these pit stops Verstappen was chasing down Vettel and when he got by Vettel then run straight into the back of Verstappen putting them both in the gravel ..... Vettel picked up a 10 sec Penalty for causing the accident hardly a fitting punishment given that he emerged at the back of the pack and Verstappen loses finishing 3rd
That was a disgraceful bit of driving, epecially from someone as experienced as Vettel - in fact, it almost looked deliberate. The 10 second penalty was a farce. The stewards need to step up to the plate and give penalties that really mean something and hurt the transgressor. Personally, I would have banned him from the next race or, at the very least, start him from the pits.
Quote from: RedEyes on July 15, 2019, 08:32:54 AM
Quote from: Biggin on July 14, 2019, 20:47:19 PM
But after these pit stops Verstappen was chasing down Vettel and when he got by Vettel then run straight into the back of Verstappen putting them both in the gravel ..... Vettel picked up a 10 sec Penalty for causing the accident hardly a fitting punishment given that he emerged at the back of the pack and Verstappen loses finishing 3rd
That was a disgraceful bit of driving, epecially from someone as experienced as Vettel - in fact, it almost looked deliberate. The 10 second penalty was a farce. The stewards need to step up to the plate and give penalties that really mean something and hurt the transgressor. Personally, I would have banned him from the next race or, at the very least, start him from the pits.
I have to agree the penalty does not fit the crime , but I have since read he has also had 2 points put on his Racing Licence - big deal
When I first saw it I thought it was a classic move used in Karting. As you closely follow the kart in front on a bend you just give a light tap. And because he is a slight lock on the steering he looses his rear end and spins and sometimes goes off the track. It was a favourite of John Sutees son among others. Not sure it was Vettels intention though.
Quote from: Dunedin on July 16, 2019, 14:17:48 PM
When I first saw it I thought it was a classic move used in Karting. As you closely follow the kart in front on a bend you just give a light tap. And because he is a slight lock on the steering he looses his rear end and spins and sometimes goes off the track. It was a favourite of John Sutees son among others. Not sure it was Vettels intention though.
In the karting I have done and still do, you would be lucky not to be black flagged for deliberately trying to cause an accident....
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 16, 2019, 14:33:54 PM
Quote from: Dunedin on July 16, 2019, 14:17:48 PM
When I first saw it I thought it was a classic move used in Karting. As you closely follow the kart in front on a bend you just give a light tap. And because he is a slight lock on the steering he looses his rear end and spins and sometimes goes off the track. It was a favourite of John Sutees son among others. Not sure it was Vettels intention though.
In the karting I have done and still do, you would be lucky not to be black flagged for deliberately trying to cause an accident....
I have seen it many times and they say it was an accident, or he braked when not necessary.
Well, I was never aware that Karting was a contact sport. Accidentally or otherwise. You must be much better informed than me.. I'll try it and see how I get on :grin:
Not a good thing to try as the results could be nasty not only on the track but later when confronted.
When racing in a championship at PF International, my son was taken out on the last lap. It happened again at Teeside. My son was driving a World Formula Kart in an open and modified class and had passed many of the modified Honda's and a few Rotax Max's when one took him out the same way.
Verstappen splits the Mercedes on the Front row where Ferrari were really looking for a 1-2 after dominant in all the free practice. Ferrari troubles started straight away when Vettel on his outlap reported no power so pitted for what was discovered as a turbo problem so he starts at the back of the grid.
I qualy 2 Le Clerc was fastest with Mercedes in close contention on the Medium tyres Verstappen had a very poor run on the medium so changed to Softs and into top 10 no problem.
In the top ten shoot out Le Clerc had a fuel problem so did not complete a lap and will start 10 Hamilton had a blistering lap that the Ferrari would have needed an exceptional lap to take pole , but Bottas not just as quick as Hamilton and that allowed Verstappen to split them and take 2nd
So could be an interesting race with Verstappen starting on the Soft tyres and Mercedes on the Medium, if Verstappen gets the lead at the start it could throw Mercedes game plan maybe forcing them to make a tyre change earlier than planned.
However they are expecting some rain that could throw all the plans up in the air and make things very interesting
Not a bad race. But Hamilton can't expect to have all the luck while others have it all bad. Still he can get back on form this weekend. Glad to see Verstappen with a win as he sure deserves it.
Hungarian GP 1st practice session.
Hamilton quickest followed by Verstappen and Vettel.
2nd practice.
Gasly followed by Verstappen and Hamilton. Rain affected the track times.
Verstappen take his 1st pole in Formula one just edging out Bottas who was just ahead of Hamilton with Leclerc 4th and Vettel 5th
Quote from: Biggin on August 03, 2019, 18:13:20 PM
Verstappen take his 1st pole in Formula one just edging out Bottas who was just ahead of Hamilton with Leclerc 4th and Vettel 5th
Should be a good race Bill.
Brilliant close racing from Lewis and Max..
Hamilton,
Verstappen,
Vettel,
Leclerc.
McClaren making a slow comeback.
Yes it was a good race and I thought Mercedes had blown it at first pit stop Hamilton following Verstappen just over a second , Verstappen pitted Lap 26 and put on the Hard tyres to go all the way to the end Mercedes kept Hamilton out and he came in lap 31 and went onto the hard tyres so in theory would be able to attack Verstappen but was now 6 secs behind Verstappen and decided to go for it he quickly caught up and put Verstappen under severe pressure and on one attempt to overtake ran wide with 21 laps to go Mercedes pitted Hamilton and put him onto a set of medium so with 20 laps Hamilton was 20 secs behind in the initial laps of his new tyres he was taking 1.5 to 2 secs a lap but that reduced as the number of laps on the tyres increased , then there was a message from Verstappen that his tyres were dead and Hamilton caught and passed with 2 laps to go
Red Bull said that they did not pit Verstappen after Mercedes had done it as he would have come out behind Hamilton
A really good race, Ferrari were a full minute behind Verstappen , and Bottas who had his front wing damaged by Leclerc had toPit at end of 1st lap finished 8th
A Fararri front row at Spa for the race tomorrow led by Leclerc. Hamilton had his car almost totally rebuilt after a crash during practice and starts in 3rd.
Quote from: Dunedin on August 31, 2019, 22:38:01 PM
A Fararri front row at Spa for the race tomorrow led by Leclerc. Hamilton had his car almost totally rebuilt after a crash during practice and starts in 3rd.
Dunners you must be getting old Hamilton split the Ferrari's and starts 2nd Leclerc, Hamilton , Vettel, Bottas, Verstappen. It was expected that Ferrari would lock out the front row
I stand corrected I just went into the BBC site and it says Hamilton 3rd I was sure I had watched the whole Qualifying run ::) ::)I must have turned it off after 1st run as I was changing over to watch the Football.
I am going to blame the Commentators as I am sure they said that Leclerc was Pole and Hamilton split the Ferraris they even showed a clip where Vettel had made a slight mistake that cost him 2nd place :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Apologies to Dunners :embarrassed:
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:grin:
Ya can't believe everything you see or hear on the telly. Yesterday, ITV London sports report had West Ham and Norwich down as a 2-2 draw :huh:
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So after an eventful day practicing in Italy with cars crashing about in the rain, Leclerc was the quickest to get around the track in both sessions.
Leclerc continues his run of form and takes pole after a crazy 3rd session when the drivers played silly buggers by not wanting to be among the first to put in a final fast lap.So only Leclerc and Hamilton made it over the line before the session ended. So Leclerc and Hamilton on the front row.
You couldn't make it up.😳
Be interesting to see how Verstappen does starting from the back after changes to the car.
It was actually Leclerc and Sainz who were the only two to manage a 2nd run in Q3. Leclerc's time in the first run was enough for pole with Hamilton 2nd and Bottas 3rd. Sainz did not improve and starts p7. Should be an interesting race tomorrow especially if the forecasted thunderstorms materialize.
That last run turned into an absolute farce something has to be done to stop that the first run was very similar with them all jockeying for position.
If the slipstream is that important .3 of a second they say per lap at this track then they need to come up with a formula to stop the public being short changed.
In commentary yesterday Stewards were supposed to be looking into the matter I wonder if anyone will be punished
IN the practice sessions on the streets of Singapore Hamilton was the quickest of the day.
Hamilton
Verstappen,
Vettel,
Bottas,
Albon
Leclerc.
Well looks like Ferrari are going to be a force for the rest of the season, on this track they were not expected to do well but they brought a new nose and some other parts and they all seem to have worked here. They possibly could have had a front row lock out but Vettel made a couple of mistakes on his final run new he would not beat his first run and went into pits, this allowed Hamilton to take 2nd place , Red Bull and Verstappen also right in the mix
1 Leclerc
2 Hamilton
3 Vette;l
4 Verstappen
5 Bottas
Very boring race today as most street circuits are. Ferrari are making a big mistake by treating Leclerc as second fiddle to Vettel. Leclerc is a better driver and displayed his feelings on the radio for all to hear and was not pleased when asked to move over to let Vettel pass to win. Lectern has already proved himself with 3 pole positions in a row and wins which Vettel has not had for over a year. Others will be looking to snatch him from Farrari as soon as they can.
Vettel,
Leclerc,
Verstappen,
Hamilton,
Bottas.
Ferrari treatment of Leclerc is despicable first they tell Leclerc to take care of his tyres then they bring in Vettel instead of Leclerc and he the performs the undercut Leclerc emerging just behind Vettel and then they Tell Leclerc to hold station and not to attack Vettel , they could Rue the day they did that.
Mercedes also Messed up they brought Bottas in first and then instead of pitting of Hamilton at the same time as Leclerc they let him run on so long that they had to tell Bottas to slow so that he would hold up the traffic to allow Hamilton to Pit and he emerged just in front of Bottas but behind Verstappen. Strategy thinking that the fresher tyres would allow Hamilton to attack and overtake Verstappen - but hey this is a street circuit and you cant pass here
Today's final practice in Russia before qualifying.
Leclerc,
Vettel,
Hamilton,
Bottas,
Verstappen.
Hamilton Splits the Ferraris Leclerc on Pole . Mercedes starting on the medium tyres and Ferrari on the soft Lookslike another win for Ferrari
Quote from: Biggin on September 28, 2019, 19:38:04 PM
Hamilton Splits the Ferraris Leclerc on Pole . Mercedes starting on the medium tyres and Ferrari on the soft Lookslike another win for Ferrari
As Leclerc is a few points ahead of Vettel in the Championship, will his team tell him to let Vettel pass again.😡
I am glad to see McLaren going back to use Mercedes engines again as I can start using my McLaren shirt with Mercedes as the sponser on it. But it doesn't help my BMW / Williams shirt. 😄
Mercedes take a surprise 1-2 in Russia having made the decision to qualify on the medium tyre that strategy and a bit of luck gave Mercedes a 1-2 .
As expected Ferarri got off the line in a flyer and Vettel went from 3rd to 1st having taken a tow from Leclerc this was obviously a tatic that had been discussed before the start and Vettel if he passed Leclerc was to give it back , but couple of laps in you heard to call to let Leclerc past but he ignored saying he would have got by anyway.
In the meantime Hamilton was holding on to their tails very well and as the medium tyres started to come into play he started to edge up on Leclerc, Mercedes intended go longer than original plan However Ferrari pitted Leclerc before Vettel and he managed to come out in front of Vettel then came a virtual safety car so Mercedes Pitted both Hamilton and Bottas and they stayed ahead of Leclerc then when Vettel pitted just after he cam out he had a power failure that brought out a full safety car and at the restart the Mercedes held off the challenge of Leclerc to take the 1-2 and Hamilton also picked up the fastest lap
1 Hamilton
2 Bottas
3 Leclerc
4 Verstappen
Quote from: Biggin on September 29, 2019, 20:22:42 PM
Mercedes take a surprise 1-2 in Russia having made the decision to qualify on the medium tyre that strategy and a bit of luck gave Mercedes a 1-2 .
As expected Ferarri got off the line in a flyer and Vettel went from 3rd to 1st having taken a tow from Leclerc this was obviously a tatic that had been discussed before the start and Vettel if he passed Leclerc was to give it back , but couple of laps in you heard to call to let Leclerc past but he ignored saying he would have got by anyway.
In the meantime Hamilton was holding on to their tails very well and as the medium tyres started to come into play he started to edge up on Leclerc, Mercedes intended go longer than original plan However Ferrari pitted Leclerc before Vettel and he managed to come out in front of Vettel then came a virtual safety car so Mercedes Pitted both Hamilton and Bottas and they stayed ahead of Leclerc then when Vettel pitted just after he cam out he had a power failure that brought out a full safety car and at the restart the Mercedes held off the challenge of Leclerc to take the 1-2 and Hamilton also picked up the fastest lap
1 Hamilton
2 Bottas
3 Leclerc
4 Verstappen
Vettel had poetic justice thrown at him in the form of an engine problem pushing him into 5th in the championship.😎
It seemed very fishy with Vettel being told to stop less than a 100 metres from the pit lane, as if knowing the safety car would be employed AGAIN to bunch up the 3 front runners and maybe help Leclerc, Street Circuits ,Pathetic !! Just stick to Monaco ! And that is becoming outdated with the speed of the cars .
Quote from: Rtis on September 30, 2019, 15:56:48 PM
It seemed very fishy with Vettel being told to stop less than a 100 metres from the pit lane, as if knowing the safety car would be employed AGAIN to bunch up the 3 front runners and maybe help Leclerc, Street Circuits ,Pathetic !! Just stick to Monaco ! And that is becoming outdated with the speed of the cars .
Totally agree, street circuits have no runoff areas, which restrict the driver from giving it all. It also makes it less safer.
Mercedes in a new Record the first Team to win 6 consecutive Constructors and 6 Drivers Championships
It is getting a bit predictable as it was in the days of Schumaker when it became a little boring as you knew the outcome. At least Leclerc and Verstappen have injected some fresh life into it. A lot of friends who have been F1 fans for over 30 years have lost interest. It stems from having to watch highlights only, knowing the result or pay Sky, which is like being held to ransom. Far too many street circuits and predictable results from only 3 teams in the running.😒
It's all in the air at F1 with Hamilton saying they shouldn't be in Australia at this time as some teams have staff with the virus. McLaren have pulled out. The first race ever in Vietnam looks like being cancelled as anyone coming from Italy within 14 days of the April race, (which includes Ferrari) will not be allowed in the country. Tyre manufacturer Pirelli is also included in the decision. 😐
Looking like this years Australian GP is going to be cancelled.
It has been cancelled.. :shocked:
🙁🙁
Quote from: hotphot on March 12, 2020, 16:38:34 PM
Looking like this years Australian GP is going to be cancelled.
And maybe the whole season.😎
Not a lot happening on the track, but plenty going on behind the scenes. Vettel leaving Ferrari. Will this mean a move for Hamilton, it’s no secret he would love to drive for the iconic team. Toto Wolff’s future is uncertain at Mercedes. Interesting times and looks like they will be back on track soon. A few rusty drivers should make the driving interesting!
Daniel Ricciardo has signed a two-year deal with McLaren worth £31m
Ricciardo will leave Renault at the end of the year to team up with Lando Norris
The Australian's move has paved the way for Carlos Sainz to sign for Ferrari
Sainz will replace Sebastian Vettel at Ferrari after signing a two-year contract
Move means Lewis Hamilton, who was linked to Ferrari, must stay at Mercedes
Surely Ferrari would grab Lewis if they had a choice.??
Quote from: Cartron on May 15, 2020, 17:31:23 PM
Surely Ferrari would grab Lewis if they had a choice.??
I thought he would go, as he has always been interested in joining them. However can’t see it happening now.
The belated upgrades to the Mercedes team cars are looking to reap dividends. After Hamiltons comments it will be interesting to see who takes a knee before the start today. 😁 Hamilton given a 3 place grid penalty.
Not all of them took the knee. Good on them for not buckling to being pressurised.
Much better than the puppet premier league muppets.
Agree there. Even SKY SPORTS have generated their own BLM advert. It is getting stupid. But off topic, sorry GP fans.
Good to see the new boys on the block coming into the front part in the races. 😀
F1 races cancelled in the US, Mexico and Brazil. Three more have replaced them, Imola in Italy, Portimao in Portugal and in Germany, the mighty Nurburgring. It could be interesting as none of the current drivers have raced on it. Or I don't think so. 😎
Have a trip around the ring with Lewis Hamilton..
https://youtu.be/Wwg0cyiFUho
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 24, 2020, 20:51:28 PM
Have a trip around the ring with Lewis Hamilton..
https://youtu.be/Wwg0cyiFUho
As I said, "I wasn't aware", but good video. ☺ï¸
Quote from: Dunedin on July 25, 2020, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 24, 2020, 20:51:28 PM
Have a trip around the ring with Lewis Hamilton..
https://youtu.be/Wwg0cyiFUho
As I said, "I wasn't aware", but good video. ☺ï¸
I wasn't having a go Dunner's, but I did think Hammy had a drive not a race around the ring. So you were right about the racing bit :grin:
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 25, 2020, 09:55:23 AM
Quote from: Dunedin on July 25, 2020, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 24, 2020, 20:51:28 PM
Have a trip around the ring with Lewis Hamilton..
https://youtu.be/Wwg0cyiFUho
As I said, "I wasn't aware", but good video. ☺ï¸
I wasn't having a go Dunner's, but I did think Hammy had a drive not a race around the ring. So you were right about the racing bit :grin:
When we used to race it soon became clear that knowing the track you are on well is 50% of your chances of winning given your vehicle and your setup is upto scratch.
Wow! What a finish to a GP.
What looked like an easy 1-2 finish almost finished in complete disaster first 3 laps from end Bottas got a puncture had to do almost a lap to get to the pits this was relayed to Hamilton who was told to ease off a bit which he did but on the last lap with still a bit to go he also got a puncture and just managed to hold off a fast approaching Verstappen who had went into the pits after Bottas got puncture .
A couple of other cars also suffered Punctures all on the hard tyre which was supposed to have been able to do the amount of laps that they were asking them to do. All were going for a one stop strategy. Bottas unfortunately finished 11th and out of the points which is unfortunate as he was keeping Hamilton very honest in the Championship Race.
This coming weekend is the second race a Silverston and Pirrelli are bringing different tyres this time I wonder if teams will change strategy from 1 stop to 2 stops
Looks like Lewis is going to make more F1 records this year. 😎
Quote from: Dunedin on August 15, 2020, 19:49:55 PM
Looks like Lewis is going to make more F1 records this year. 😎
I think you’re right.
Yes that was an easy win for him yesterday tyers obviously held up this week not like last week even though the temperatures this week were higher than last
After Ferrari deciding that Vettel is not upto scrach anymore, the Aston Martin team are to give him a ride next year.
Will today be the day that Hamilton makes history with 92 F1 wins.?
Well the answer Dunedin is that Hamilton got that 92nd win to create a new record quite a good race at the start for a few laps with Sainz overtaking the Mercedes he was on the faster tyre but after that it became quite Dull Bottas had passed Hamilton in the first lap and Hamilton dropped back a couple of places as he did not feel the grip he needed (there as a few drops of rain) so he was playing safe . but within a few laps Bottas had passed Sainz followed by Hamilton passing him and then Hamilton on Bottas sailed passed him on the Start /Finish straight and then sailed off into the distance. Verstappen recovered from a poor start to finish 3rd behind Bottas
Good to. see McLaren coming back into the game, slowly. 😄
How do those interested think Alonso will do on his return to F1.?
This weekend is when Hamilton should equal Shuey's record of 7 F1 Championship titles. Getting to grips with the track is proving difficult for most as it was resurfaced recently. In today's practice session Vestappen was quickest but 10 seconds slower than usual at this track. 🙁
Congrats to LH, a living legend :embarrassed:
A fantastic win for him. Brilliant drive, 7 world titles!
Great drive from Hamilton all about keeping a cool head at the start of the race , did you see the Inter tyres at the end they were like slicks no tread across most of the tyre
Another brilliant drive and he said after the race that he is just getting started! He is the greatest F1 driver in history already and plenty of time on his hands.(I never thought Nadal would keep winning the French Open now into double figures.) Will Hamilton get a knighthood now? Sir Jackie Stewart have to wait well over twenty years to get a knighthood, they do not seem to be awarded immediately in F1?
Alonso making a return. He has kept his eye in with some wins at Le Mans 24 Hours and competed in Indianapolis 500 and the Dakar Rally 2020. If Renault get the package right he may be in the running or end up back as a cardboard cut out in Banco Santander ! Good to him return next year.
I have gone off Lewis recently due to him bringing his BLM politics into F1, but I have to agree, what an amazing drive yesterday.
We all know the Mercedes is the fastest car on the track, but probably a bit too fast for wet conditions. Bottas, also a very good driver struggled keeping his in a straight line, highlighting more the incredible driving skills of Hamilton.
Quote from: steveconway24 on November 16, 2020, 11:19:59 AM
I have gone off Lewis recently due to him bringing his BLM politics into F1, but I have to agree, what an amazing drive yesterday.
We all know the Mercedes is the fastest car on the track, but probably a bit too fast for wet conditions. Bottas, also a very good driver struggled keeping his in a straight line, highlighting more the incredible driving skills of Hamilton.
Totally agree Steve, the BLM political lark has put a downer on it for me too. But a brilliant drive and showed his class.
LH should now step down for the Saudi Grand Prix if he’s to maintain any credibility over the abuse of human rights in all spheres. Of course he won’t tho especially as his bosses Mercedes are none too clean in that department.
People have been asking why LH isn’t getting a knighthood, probably due to him wearing the t-shirt saying the police should have been prosecuted for that case..
A pity really, but not politically correct I guess.
He owes a lot to his karting days and his Father having multiple jobs to pay for it. Most of the top drivers come from karting. 😁
How did he walk away from that?
Quote from: steveconway24 on November 29, 2020, 15:22:18 PM
How did he walk away from that?
Unbelievable, great bit of engineering in the safety pods. Just great to see him get out of it... Suspected broken bones, but amazing he walked away...
He’s a very lucky man. Race is a bit chaotic!
Lewis tests positive for the virus, meaning he will be out this next race. He has become a strong contender for BBC Sports Personality of the Year.
I wonder who will get the drive this weekend, Vandoorne, or will they give Russell a go.
Well then, stand in driver Russell driving Hamiltons car was fastest in both practice sessions. I wonder if the car will enter into heavy scrutineering if he wins the race. 🙄
Very talented young driver, excellent opportunity for him to get to drive the best car on the grid.
Incredible race today, so happy for Perez, so disappointed for Russell.
Mercedes really messed it up for Russell and Bottas, and after that for Russell to get a slow puncture which put him last and he still finished in the points just behind Bottas and with the fastest lap A great drive and really good to see Perez getting his win
Fantastic drive by young George, very unlucky not to win it...
Sir James Ratcliffe, the billionaire, who was supposed to be making 4x4 vehicles in Bridgend but pulled out has bought a 33% share via his company Ineos in the Mercedes F1 team. Totto Wolff has agreed to run the team for a further 3 years. I guess this means Lewis Hamilton will get his £40 million, until they bring in the drivers pay cap in 2022.
Hamilton has signed up 9 times World Rally Champion Sabastian Loab to his new off road racing team. 😊
Quote from: Dunedin on December 19, 2020, 18:27:21 PM
Hamilton has signed up 9 times World Rally Champion Sabastian Loab to his new off road racing team. 😊
Interesting, it had gone a bit quiet for the E team X44.
Arise Sir Lewis Hamilton.
Although I have been a fan of his since his karting days, I am not sure that a person who does a job paying them mega millions and uses tax avoidance by living outside the UK deserves this honour. To me someone who contributes their life and time free is a far more worthy candidate. 😎
The team k own as Racing Point has now changed its name to "Aston Martin Fomula 1 and have signed Vettel for next season.
That was announced quite a while back. will be interested to see what Vettel can do in what is basically a 2019 Mercedes with a few tweaks.
Quote from: steveconway24 on January 10, 2021, 12:43:56 PM
That was announced quite a while back. will be interested to see what Vettel can do in what is basically a 2019 Mercedes with a few tweaks.
Yes, going to be very interesting, could be trouble for Sir Lewis... Hopefully. :grin:
Quote from: Angleseyite on January 10, 2021, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: steveconway24 on January 10, 2021, 12:43:56 PM
That was announced quite a while back. will be interested to see what Vettel can do in what is basically a 2019 Mercedes with a few tweaks.
Yes, going to be very interesting, could be trouble for Sir Lewis... Hopefully. :grin:
Personly I can't see it. I also think both Vettel and Alonso are past their sell by date. 😊
Red bull with Perez and Verstapen will offer more competition hopefully.
Quote from: lmj52 on January 10, 2021, 15:19:55 PM
Red bull with Perez and Verstapen will offer more competition hopefully.
Totally agree.
Quote from: lmj52 on January 10, 2021, 15:19:55 PM
Red bull with Perez and Verstapen will offer more competition hopefully.
.
Just need someone to push the fastest car and make it more of a competition, who it is, I'm not bothered.
Seems like the Austrlian GP will be cancelled as Australia are looking a 2 weeks Quarantine for the teams
Quote from: Biggin on January 10, 2021, 20:34:56 PM
Seems like the Austrlian GP will be cancelled as Australia are looking a 2 weeks Quarantine for the teams
Also the China race.
I’m hoping to make the Abu Dhabi GP this time. If I can get travel insurance anyway. An interesting year ahead.... hopefully.
It would appear that Hamiltons contract negotiations are very deep. 🤔
Alonso is in hospital in Switzerland after being hit by a car while cycling. He is said to be a bit shaken but recovering OK. 😊
Ex Formula 1 commentator Murray Walker dies at the age of 97.😒
A legend. Sadly missed from f1.
Murray had some classic statements giving the impression that he was confused with excitement such as:
"" He would be leading the Grand Prix if it wasn't for the 3 cars in front of him. "" 😅😅
Sabine Schmitz who was a racing driver and a record holder at the Nurburgring as well as a Top Gear presenter has died of cancer at the age of 51. She won the 24 hour race for touring cars twice in a BMW M3.
Yes very sad. I actually met her some years ago. Lovely lady.
Only a week to go to the start of the F1 start in Bahrain. Hamilton thinks Red Bull are the force to be reckoned with this year. Vestappen has been magic in practice sessions with his team mate also doing the business.
Only 2 days before the start of the new season. Bernice has been making statements saying that Lewis is being used by Black lives matter. 🙄🤔 This from a man that goes into a hotel via the revolving door and comes out on the side he went in. 🙄😀
Max Vestappen was quickest in first practice at the Bahrain Grand Prix. Battas was second quickest followed by McLarens Lando Norris ahead of Hamilton. Vettel was 12th for his new Aston Martin team and Alonso in 16th.
In the 2nd practice Max domoneered again followed by Lando Norris with Hamilton in third. 😀
Bahrain Grand Prix FP1 results: Verstappen fastest from Bottas
Cla Driver Chassis Time Gap
1
Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull 1'31.394
2
Finland Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1'31.692 0.298
3
United Kingdom Lando Norris McLaren 1'31.897 0.503
4
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1'31.921 0.527
5
Monaco Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1'31.993 0.599
6
Mexico Sergio Perez Red Bull 1'32.071 0.677
7
France Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 1'32.195 0.801
8
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr. Ferrari 1'32.366 0.972
9
Australia Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 1'32.434 1.040
10
Italy Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo 1'32.786 1.392
11
Finland Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo 1'33.134 1.740
12
Germany Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin 1'33.157 1.763
13
Canada Lance Stroll Aston Martin 1'33.233 1.839
14
Japan Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1'33.329 1.935
15
France Esteban Ocon Alpine 1'33.528 2.134
16
Spain Fernando Alonso Alpine 1'33.872 2.478
17
United Kingdom George Russell Williams 1'34.127 2.733
18
Canada Nicholas Latifi Williams 1'34.340 2.946
19
Germany Mick Schumacher Haas 1'34.501 3.107
20
Russian Federation Nikita Mazepin Haas 1'34.975 3.581
Verstappen takes pole followed by Hamilton, Battas in 3rd with Leclerc alongside on the 2nd row.
Vettel still can't seen to get back to form and finished back in 18th position. 🙄
Should be a good race tomorrow.
MotoGp after as well!😃😎
Quote from: steveconway24 on March 27, 2021, 18:47:45 PM
Should be a good race tomorrow.
MotoGp after as well!😃😎
Now that's what you call racing :grin:
I think the result could be down to tyre choice between the top drivers. Safety car is going to be busy. 😬😕
What a good race to start the season. As I predicted earlier, tyres played an important part in the race. Very tight race between Vestappen and Hamilton.
I won't reveal the outcome as some will not have watched it yet and do not wish to spoil it for others. 😀😀
Great racing throughout the field.
BT sports2 now for 2 wheeled racing.😁
Quote from: steveconway24 on March 28, 2021, 17:45:26 PM
Great racing throughout the field.
BT sports2 now for 2 wheeled racing.😁
They've just touched 225 mph. :shocked:
Getting back to the F1 it was a good win for Hammy . :grin:
How you could type Ang, during that race, I do not know!😅
Awesome first race of the season.
Quote from: steveconway24 on March 28, 2021, 18:46:31 PM
How you could type Ang, during that race, I do not know!😅
Awesome first race of the season.
It was a great race, the Ducat's amazing power.. Rossi should pack it in now. Missing magic Marc , can't wait for his return.
Just been saying the same, but after several injuries and ops, will he still be magic?🤔
Really hope so!😉
Lewis appears to be back to his usual form after qually. Perez on form to get alongside Lewis on the grid with Max on the 2nd row. Bottas could only manage 8th. Meanwhile Norris is starting to go well for McLaren. 😎
One of the best races for a while I feel. This year could have a similar season to back in the day between Hunt and Lauder with Lewis and Max. Good to see McLaren back in the chase after couple of poor years. Norris also did well. It seems that like Vettel, Alonso has had his day in F1.
Bottas sets the pace in first practice just ahead of Red Bulls Max Verstappen. Hamilton was struggling with his cars setup and was fifth fastest.
In second practice Hamilton got his car set up to improve and finished with the quickest time just ahead of Max Verstappen. Bottas was third fastest ahead of Sainz and then Alonso.
Portuguese GP Qualifying.top 10
Bottas
Hamilton
Verstappen
Perez
Sainz Jnr
Ocon
Norris
Leclerc
Gasly
Vettel
Another win for Lewis. It reminds me of the days when a Schumacher win was always a safe bet. 97 races won so far. 😀
Bottas quickest in first practice in Spain folled by Max and Hamilton. Lando Norris was then ahead in his McLaren followed by the two Ferraris of Leclerc and Sainz.
In second practice Hamilton led Bottas with Leclerc in third. Vestappen made an error giving him only the ninth quickest time. Alonso is still trying to get his act together for the Spanish fans whilst coming in with the fifth quickest time. 😄
Hamilton becomes the first to achieve 100 pole positions.
Pole, Hamilton followed by Verstappen and Bottas.
1st practice session at Monaco had Sergio Perez as the quickest followed by Carlos Sainz and Max Verstappen.
Hamilton came in 5th.
Charles Leclerc led in 2nd practice followed by Sainz resulting in a 1-2 for the Ferrari team. Hamilton was 3rd quickest followed by his close rival Max Verstappen.
After seeing Leclercs crash many times, I cannot believe they didn't swap the gear box last night. He would still have started ahead of Hamilton and would have collected decent points.
They didn't swap the box, and he didn't even make it to the grid.
Should make the start interesting.😏
Quote from: steveconway24 on May 23, 2021, 13:44:00 PM
After seeing Leclercs crash many times, I cannot believe they didn't swap the gear box last night. He would still have started ahead of Hamilton and would have collected decent points.
They didn't swap the box, and he didn't even make it to the grid.
Should make the start interesting.😏
Being on the front in Monaco has the biggest advantage over any other track in the F1 calender, as its down to pit stops and luck to gain an advantage. But that's Street circuits.
So after Vestappen wins in Monaco he goes into the lead above Hamilton.
Ok, here we go. Who’s going to have the upper hand today? How many red flags will there be in the race!
Well that was different! Who would have called that?
I really enjoyed that, Hammy threw it.
Quote from: Angleseyite on June 06, 2021, 15:27:09 PM
I really enjoyed that, Hammy threw it.
Yes, looked like brakes overheated. Glad Perez won, Vettel back at last, and Gasley some luck at last.
Next week will be interesting
Quote from: lmj52 on June 06, 2021, 15:43:13 PM
Quote from: Angleseyite on June 06, 2021, 15:27:09 PM
I really enjoyed that, Hammy threw it.
Yes, looked like brakes overheated. Glad Perez won, Vettel back at last, and Gasley some luck at last.
Next week will be interesting
This is the problem and dangers with street circuits. I think Vettel days are over as it is with Alonso. Vettel was fortunate that the race was a catastrophe. 😎
Should be a tight race today between Hamilton and Verstappen apen who starts on pole. 😄
Well Red Bull had the best strategy. Bottas was right to criticise Mercedes. He knew early on it was a 2 stop race. It makes things more interesting though. Is this Verstappen’s year?
Quote from: lmj52 on June 20, 2021, 15:46:52 PM
Well Red Bull had the best strategy. Bottas was right to criticise Mercedes. He knew early on it was a 2 stop race. It makes things more interesting though. Is this Verstappen’s year?
Agree totally with your comments..
It is the first time in a few years that Mercedes have had serious competitive car and a driver to equal Hamilton. 😎
Verstappen on pole for tomorrow's GP followed by Bottas who has 3 place grid penalty for a dangerous act in the pitts. He was followed by Hamilton who now starts on the front row. McLarens Norris now starts in 3rd alongside Bottas.
Should be a good race. 😎
Looks like Lewis Hamilton is staying with Mercedes for another 2 years, in a deal worth £80 million.
Quote from: lmj52 on July 03, 2021, 10:36:37 AM
Looks like Lewis Hamilton is staying with Mercedes for another 2 years, in a deal worth £80 million.
I don't know how he manages :grin:, must shop at lidl's. :grin: :grin:
Doubt they have a Lidl in Monaco!
Quote from: byrney on July 03, 2021, 12:04:58 PM
Doubt they have a Lidl in Monaco!
Well I never!! Must be Spar then...Deffo got a Spar.. :grin:
Brilliant qualifying. Makes things interesting.
This weekend will be interesting as Lewis is on his home track. 😎
The new rules have started where only 1 practice before the start of qualifying tomorrow and Verstappen the quickest so far followed by Lando Norris, Hamilton, Leclerc in 4th followed.by Bottas. 🤔
Lewis responds quicker than Max on the last session before tomorrow's sprint. So Lewis and Max side by side on the grid for tomorrow. 😀
The best race for years. Hamilton wins after a battle against the clock after recieving a penalty on the first lap via a coming together with Vestappen. He has closed the gap on his rival to almost nothing. He also took the point for the fastest lap. 😀
Quote from: Dunedin on July 18, 2021, 17:06:15 PM
The best race for years. Hamilton wins after a battle against the clock after recieving a penalty on the first lap via a coming together with Vestappen. He has closed the gap on his rival to almost nothing. He also took the point for the fastest lap. 😀
Great race, but I thought Perez (Red bull) got the fastest lap??? :shocked:
Hamilton didn’t get fastest lap point. Perez fastest lap but no point, as outside the top ten, just prevented Hamilton getting the extra point. Red bull threw their toys out of the pram because Vestappen was pushed off. Ooops.
Sergio Perez - Lap 50 - 1:28.517
Lewis Hamilton - Lap 45 - 1:29.699
Pierre Gasly - Lap 52 - 1:30.266
Quote from: Lynne on July 19, 2021, 07:42:23 AM
Sergio Perez - Lap 50 - 1:28.517
Lewis Hamilton - Lap 45 - 1:29.699
Pierre Gasly - Lap 52 - 1:30.266
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Thought I was correct, cheers Lynn and IMJ
I'm sure Dunders will be along to admit he got it wrong again :grin: or maybe not!!! :shocked: :grin: :grin:
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 19, 2021, 08:40:55 AM
Quote from: Lynne on July 19, 2021, 07:42:23 AM
Sergio Perez - Lap 50 - 1:28.517
Lewis Hamilton - Lap 45 - 1:29.699
Pierre Gasly - Lap 52 - 1:30.266
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I took it from the commentary statement made by David Couthard at the end of the race. 😎 Report him to C4. 😅
Thought I was correct, cheers Lynn and IMJ
I'm sure Dunders will be along to admit he got it wrong again :grin: or maybe not!!! :shocked: :grin: :grin:
took it from the commentary statement made by David Couthard at the end of the race. 😎 Report him to C4.
Ah, right so you're blaming Couthard for you putting incorrect info on the forum, because you didn't check it was right :kiss:
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 19, 2021, 14:30:07 PM
took it from the commentary statement made by David Couthard at the end of the race. 😎 Report him to C4.
Ah, right so you're blaming Couthard for you putting incorrect info on the forum, because you didn't check it was right :kiss:
Not really. When the race finished and he said Lewis had reduced the points between himself and Max and gained an extra point from having the fastest lap time, I switched off. Check it out, if you know how. 😆😆
So that's taking responsibility for posting incorrect info :grin: :grin:
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 19, 2021, 15:27:10 PM
So that's taking responsibility for posting incorrect info :grin: :grin:
:grin: :grin:
Is that like when some sailor said the world was flat. 😄😄
Quote from: Dunedin on July 19, 2021, 16:27:32 PM
Is that like when some sailor said the world was flat. 😄😄
Dunders, why do you find it so difficult to say what you published about Hammy having the fastest lap is incorrect?? as for the sailors, you're welcome to them :grin:
And Angleseyite, does it really matter if he was right or wrong? Far more important things to be annoyed about. Have a wine or a beer mate and chill. Cheers.
Not annoyed at all Byrns, and funnily enough I am having a chilled beer :grin: Cheers :grin:
Lol
Quote from: byrney on July 19, 2021, 17:52:17 PM
And Angleseyite, does it really matter if he was right or wrong? Far more important things to be annoyed about. Have a wine or a beer mate and chill. Cheers.
He is like a dog with a bone. 😅
Max still bellyaching about Lewis cutting the bend and wants another investigation. When he came in to F1 he regularly cut up Kimi with similar moves causing the stewards to warn him off. 😎
Quote from: Dunedin on July 29, 2021, 11:18:26 AM
Max still bellyaching about Lewis cutting the bend and wants another investigation. When he came in to F1 he regularly cut up Kimi with similar moves causing the stewards to warn him off. 😎
That's old news Dunders, but
Can't blame him it cost him dear...
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 29, 2021, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: Dunedin on July 29, 2021, 11:18:26 AM
Max still bellyaching about Lewis cutting the bend and wants another investigation. When he came in to F1 he regularly cut up Kimi with similar moves causing the stewards to warn him off. 😎
That's old news Dunders, but
Can't blame him it cost him dear...
The officials have rejected Red Bulls reassessment of the penalty given to Hamilton.
Verstappen put the quickest time in first practice at the Hungarian GP. He was followed by Bottas., Hamilton, Sainz and Gasly. 😎
Quote from: Dunedin on July 30, 2021, 13:38:24 PM
Quote from: Angleseyite on July 29, 2021, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: Dunedin on July 29, 2021, 11:18:26 AM
Max still bellyaching about Lewis cutting the bend and wants another investigation. When he came in to F1 he regularly cut up Kimi with similar moves causing the stewards to warn him off. 😎
That's old news Dunders, but
Can't blame him it cost him dear...
The officials have rejected Red Bulls reassessment of the penalty given to Hamilton.
I think that's the correct decision too
Second practice has Bottas with the quickest time followed by Hamilton, Verstappen, Ocon and Perez.
Hamilton on pole for tomorrow's race followed by teamate Bottas then Max Verstappen on the second row. 😎
What an exciting race with all the ups and downs involved. You just couldn't have expected a race like that.
On the podium was the winner Ocon followed by Vettel and Hamilton. 😎
Hamilton is back in front in the standings. 😀
I see Lewis is fearing he may be suffering from long term Covid?
Great drive by Alonso
Quote from: joanie on August 02, 2021, 13:44:21 PM
Great drive by Alonso
And Vettel, if these two had better cars they would still be in the mix.
Hamilton has had his lead extended and put into 2nd place after Vettel was disqualified for a fuel infringement.
Over at Spa, Bottas was quickest in first practice followed by Verstappen while Hamilton was stuck behind a slower car on his best lap.
In second practice session after setting his quickest lap Verstappen crashed his car into a wall casing the session to be ended prematurely.
Verstappen is on his third and final power unit before recieving penalties.
A fantastic lap by Russell qualifying second
New rules are to be introduced after the farce at Spa where the cars did 2 laps in the rain behind the safety car before making the decision that the race was over and the results would be based in the positions on the grid before the start of the race. 🙄🙄
Rumours are starting, Kimi Raikkonen retiring, Valteri Bottas to replace him. George Russell to Mercedes
Quote from: lmj52 on September 01, 2021, 15:55:30 PM
Rumours are starting, Kimi Raikkonen retiring, Valteri Bottas to replace him. George Russell to Mercedes
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I understood that Bottas replacement with Russel had been sorted before the last race. Didn't know about Kimi.
The practice session in Holland didn't go according to plan for Hamilton as he missed most of the second session with his car stopped on track after only 1 flying lap. The 2 Ferraris posted the quickest laps followed by Ocon, Bottas, Verstappen and Alonso.
Bottas was the quickest around the Italian track to get pole position for the Sprint Race today.
Hamilton was just behind followed by Max. In the title race there is only 3 points between Max and Lewis. 😀
So it's Max Verstappen on pole for tomorrow's race with Bottas at the back of the grid following a engine change.
Hamilton starts in 4th after a bad start in the sprint.
The sprint race is a complete joke. Gasley, who qualified well, crashes out and now starts at the back of the grid. HamIlton, who qualified second, because of a crap start in the sprint, now starts the main race in 4th. What a ridiculous waste of time, the FIA and Liberty media are making F1 a complete farce.
Well the Russian race was at least entertaining but fortunate for Lewis at the end of the race. Good strategy from Red Bull putting Max in the frame. Good drive from Norris, he is the future in this sport. 😀
It was an exciting race. Mercedes got their strategy and tyre choice spot on, a brilliant call to bring Hamilton in.
Norris should have been ordered in to change tyres, instead of asking him, an amazing drive by Verstappen
This weekends race is looking good in the U. S. after strong feelings shown between the 2 leading rivals.
Bottas was slightly quicker in first practice than Hamilton and Perez quickest in the second practice. Hamilton was battling with Vestappen during practice not only in the bends but also side by side down the pit lane ending up with Vestappen calling Lewis "a stupid idiot" and giving Hamilton the bird. 😅😅.
Takes me back to the Senna days of rivalry between the top 2 drivers. 😎
Max on pole with Lewis alongside him. Could be eventfull. 😀
Not as eventfull as it could have been. But a race dominated by tyre choices and when to change. 😎
So Max leads the Championship.
Practice sessions in Mexico is like Musical Chairs with the top 3 drivers. In first practice it was Bottas quickest followed by Hamilton then Verstappen. Second practice had Verstappen quickest followed by Bottas then Hamilton. Both Hamilton and Verstappen said they will drive cleanly against each other after the various clashes in the past. 😄
Bottas on pole in Mexico followed by Hamilton. On the second row its Verstappen and Perez.
Hamilton quickest in first practice in this weekends race but has been given a five place grid penalty after exceeding the number of engine parts to his car. As he is currently lagging Verstappen by 19 points so this makes his quest for this year's Championship even more difficult as there is only 107 points available over the four races left. But the plot thickens as both drivers are now under investigation. Hamiltons car for the qually sprint shot into pole position and has been accused of an infringement on the rear wing and is being investigated by the stewards.
Verstappen is to be investigated by the stewards this morning after work was being done to his car after qualifying and also fined for touching Hamiltons car after qualifying.
Looks like a good race this weekend with Lewis having to make up ground on his new rival who wants his crown. 😆😆
Hamilton had been disqualified from taking part in Qually, due to his rear wing alterations and will start at the back of the grid. In the sprint race Bottas took pole with Verstappen alongside.
You are correct, I read that early this morning, almost word for word on the BBC F1 webpage 🤣
While agreeing that the wing failed the test because something had "gone wrong", the FIA decided to penalise Hamilton and Mercedes, adding: "it shall be no defence to claim that no performance advantage was obtained. Therefore, the Stewards order the usual penalty for technical non-compliance of disqualification from the qualifying session."
Furthermore, Hamilton has a five-place grid penalty, for taking a new Mercedes engine, which will apply in Sunday's Grand Prix.
Verstappen therefore has a prime chance of adding up to three points to his 19-point lead over Hamilton while, if both Red Bulls take top three finishes in the Sprint, Red Bull could pass Mercedes in the constructors' standings on Saturday.
Quote from: lmj52 on November 13, 2021, 17:32:24 PM
While agreeing that the wing failed the test because something had "gone wrong", the FIA decided to penalise Hamilton and Mercedes, adding: "it shall be no defence to claim that no performance advantage was obtained. Therefore, the Stewards order the usual penalty for technical non-compliance of disqualification from the qualifying session."
Furthermore, Hamilton has a five-place grid penalty, for taking a new Mercedes engine, which will apply in Sunday's Grand Prix.
Verstappen therefore has a prime chance of adding up to three points to his 19-point lead over Hamilton while, if both Red Bulls take top three finishes in the Sprint, Red Bull could pass Mercedes in the constructors' standings on Saturday.
With Mercedes having only a 2 point advantage over Red Bull at the start of the race its going to be tight. But it needs Hamilton to have the drive of his life and Bottas to do the same.
Its never been so close since the days of Lauder and Hunt or Senna and Prost. 😎
What a performance by Lewis , despite Verstappen almost running him off the road he still came out on top.
And they took no action against Verstappen. No surprise there !!!
Quote from: Johnny73 on November 14, 2021, 19:15:59 PM
What a performance by Lewis , despite Verstappen almost running him off the road he still came out on top.
And they took no action against Verstappen. No surprise there !!!
Great race by Hammy et al.. Moanstappen lucky not to be given a penalty in my opinion...
What an incident packed weekend.
An incredible drive by Hamilton, and yes Verstappen should have been penalised.
They have asked for the forward in camera video from Verstapens car but not forthcoming so far.
Not surprising as it will cost him points .
Stewards are to make a decision today on whether to penalise Verstappen after Mercedes brought a claim that their driver was forced off the track will an attempt was made by Hamilton to overtake him.
Meanwhile, Verstappen was the quickest around the track in first practice today
So I understand Dunders.
Verstappen should be given a penalty in my book.
The governing body, the FIA, have decided that there is no new evidence, (even though an inboard car video camera footage which was not available earlier has been presented as evidence of wrong doing. So the case is closed. 🙄🙄
Bottas quickest around the track in second practice followed by Gasly, Verstappen then Hamilton.
Hamilton takes pole by half a second ahead of Verstappen. Next came Bottas and Gasly in fourth. 😎
Verstappen, Bottas and Sainz called to see the stewards after yellow flag violation.
Quote from: Angleseyite on November 20, 2021, 22:02:18 PM
Verstappen, Bottas and Sainz called to see the stewards after yellow flag violation.
The complaint comes as Max did not slow down during a yellow flag area whilst trying to get a quicker time on his last lap. The stewards could award him a penalty of 3 grid places but if they just took his lap away he would still start in the same position due to his earlier lap. 😎
So an eventful race with tyre burst the order of the day. Very close now after Hamiltons easy win. Both the Drivers and the Constructor Championship have not been this close for a while, especially after Bottas retirement near the end of the race.
Nice one Fernando
Quote from: joanie on November 22, 2021, 10:47:57 AM
Nice one Fernando
I thought FA had a great drive, good to see him perform well in a fairly uncompetitive car. :grin:
Quote from: joanie on November 22, 2021, 10:47:57 AM
Nice one Fernando
Agreed both, great to see him back! His grin said it all
Hamilton quickest around the new Saudi track in first practice just ahead ofMax Verstappen. Battas was 3rd quickest on the track the driver seemed to like.
I fancy Hamiltons chances this weekend. 😄
Hamilton quickest in second practice after a 150mph crash by Leclerc but emerged unscathed. Verstappen finished in fourth.
Disaster for Verstappen , Hamilton just needs a quick getaway tomorrow and Bottas
to hold up Verstappen and an interesting race in store.
Quote from: Johnny73 on December 04, 2021, 18:41:38 PM
Disaster for Verstappen , Hamilton just needs a quick getaway tomorrow and Bottas
to hold up Verstappen and an interesting race in store.
.Barring a disaster, its Hammys. :grin:
IMO this track is far too dangerous. Its bad enough with no run off areas but this track has too many tight blind corners. It only a matter of time before a tragedy. 😎
Now clear that Verstappen will take out Hamilton in this race and the next if it keeps his lead and stewards seem happy to allow that.
Is money talking here somewhere. ??
Quote from: Johnny73 on December 05, 2021, 18:45:17 PM
Now clear that Verstappen will take out Hamilton in this race and the next if it keeps his lead and stewards seem happy to allow that.
Is money talsking here somewhere. ??
Still under investigation, Max will be lucky to not get punished further. Great win by Hammy... :grin:
Half way through the season I thought it would be good for the sport if Verstappen wins the driver’s title, after his petulant display today I hope he doesn’t.
Further I hope he gets heavily penalised after his driving today.great drive by Bottas too
The stewards seem really biased and Verstappen will do serious damage or worse if he is not dealt with now.
Whoever designed this track needs to take a backseat on future tracks. This weekend in both F1 and F2 races proves its too dangerous. Also no facilities to remove crashed cars during a safety car employed. Maybe scrap it and start again. 😎 The old rules were that a track should have at least one third more width on the bends, which this doesn't have.
For those interested, Channel 4 will be covering this weekends final GP live after a deal struck with Sky. 😄
Verstappen quickest in first practice followed by Bottas then Hamilton.
Verstappen has made an earlier statement in which he says that he is treated differently to other drivers when it comes to the rules in racing as he gets penalties when others do the same thing and they get away with it.
(Is that what is called throwing your dolls out of the pram.) 😅😅
Quote from: Dunedin on December 10, 2021, 11:45:13 AM
Verstappen quickest in first practice followed by Bottas then Hamilton.
Verstappen has made an earlier statement in which he says that he is treated differently to other drivers when it comes to the rules in racing as he gets penalties when others do the same thing and they get away with it.
(Is that what is called throwing your dolls out of the pram.) 😅😅
In second practice Hamilton was quickest ahead of Bottas,followed by Ocon with Verstappen in 4th and Perez in 5th.
In final practice today Hamilton quickest with Vestappen 2 tenths behind followed by Bottas.
Red bull tactics were brilliant with the sling shot to get pole but they will be at a disadvantage with softs as they will probably have to stop or lose grip in latter stages of race. Max will of course take Lewis out if he doesn't think he can stay ahead.
The start should be a cracker.
Quote from: Johnny73 on December 11, 2021, 15:44:44 PM
Red bull tactics were brilliant with the sling shot to get pole but they will be at a disadvantage with softs as they will probably have to stop or lose grip in latter stages of race. Max will of course take Lewis out if he doesn't think he can stay ahead.
The start should be a cracker.
The stewards will be watching Max like a hawk and there is no point crossing the finishing line in first only to be disqualified later 😀
You can’t win a race at the first corner, however you can lose it!
I hope Verstappen remembers that..
Safety car with only 5 laps to go. Vestappen comes in for soft tyres. Will the apprentice have his day or will the master hold on. 😄
What a mess of rule changes. Reminds me of when Alonso's team mate was told to crash his car on the last lap so Alonso could win the Championship. 😂😂
Great race really enjoyed it. :grin:
Commiserations to Lewis, well done Max.
Well done red bull but the new rules are a farce, the best driver on the day lost due to circumstances that he had no control over. Also dubious pitting strategy by mercedes.
Quote from: Johnny73 on December 12, 2021, 15:00:38 PM
Well done red bull but the new rules are a farce, the best driver on the day lost due to circumstances that he had no control over. Also dubious pitting strategy by mercedes.
I wonder if Mercedes will consult the lawyers as the rules were not followed. 😡
Quote from: Johnny73 on December 12, 2021, 15:00:38 PM
Well done red bull but the new rules are a farce, the best driver on the day lost due to circumstances that he had no control over. Also dubious pitting strategy by mercedes.
Don't forget Hamilton went off the track whilst losing the lead only to come back on in front because he cut the corner. Was told he did not have to give place back. Max lost a lot of time at that point
Well done Max Verstappen, the race stewards were a disgrace.
Louis Hamilton again behaved as a gentleman.
Quote from: felipe on December 12, 2021, 15:29:30 PM
Quote from: Johnny73 on December 12, 2021, 15:00:38 PM
Well done red bull but the new rules are a farce, the best driver on the day lost due to circumstances that he had no control over. Also dubious pitting strategy by mercedes.
Don't forget Hamilton went off the track whilst losing the lead only to come back on in front because he cut the corner. Was told he did not have to give place back. Max lost a lot of time at that point
Hamilton was forced off the track whether on purpose or because he entered the corner too fast with no time to brake and used all the corner leaving Hamilton with no place to go or crash.
I see it is not over yet as there is to be an equiry over the rules not having been followed. I can see lawyers getting involved if not sorted today. Even with Max having new soft tyres just fitted, with the big lead Lewis had there was no way Max would have caught him as there was only a couple of laps left to go.
It is over nothing will be changed, Max is and will remain World Champion for 2021. :grin: :grin:
Quote from: Angleseyite on December 12, 2021, 16:28:19 PM
It is over nothing will be changed, Max is and will remain World Champion for 2021. :grin: :grin:
You may be right. But time will tell. 😎
I haven’t heard the far lady singing yet. :grin:
No indeed not Imj, I'd have loved Lewis to have done it, but its highly unlikely to be overturned, but as Dunders says we'll wait and see, but don't hold your breath. :grin:
Mercedes protests have been dismissed
Max Verstappen is officially the 2021 F1 world champion.
This is despite the following....
But rules are rules, and stewards clearly circumvented procedures in the final laps of Sunday's race by deciding that the lapped traffic between Hamilton and Verstappen would be cleared and a late restart would occur. This doesn't discount what Verstappen accomplished, as he certainly earned the title, but Hamilton and Mercedes have every reason to be upset with the sequence of events and feel like the championship was taken from them.
Just listened to an interview with Eddie Jordan who said it's outrageous that teams are now allowed to talk to the race director during a race .
The director is supposed to be independent but had two conversations during the race with red bull before reversing his decision on the lapped cars being allowed to stay between max an Hamilton.
All smells of a stitch up and mercedes are going to court it seems.
What a farce that race was from the first incident to the ending.
Everything bad this year involved Verstappen.
Quote from: Johnny73 on December 13, 2021, 17:41:03 PM
Just listened to an interview with Eddie Jordan who said it's outrageous that teams are now allowed to talk to the race director during a race .
The director is supposed to be independent but had two conversations during the race with red bull before reversing his decision on the lapped cars being allowed to stay between max an Hamilton.
All smells of a stitch up and mercedes are going to court it seems.
What a farce that race was from the first incident to the ending.
Everything bad this year involved Verstappen.
It is reported that they are talking with lawyers and Red Bull says they will defend the result. Its not Red Bulls fault. They should sue the one that made the decision.
This is what happens after many years of sticking to the rules until the Yanks got involved in the ownership. 😡😡
Ross Brawn has said teams talking to stewards will not be allowed next year.
Apparently the end of the race was engineered all for the Netflix F1 show that paid millions for the behind the scenes coverage. Masi won’t be in the job for long.
Quote from: lmj52 on December 13, 2021, 22:38:21 PM
Ross Brawn has said teams talking to stewards will not be allowed next year.
Apparently the end of the race was engineered all for the Netflix F1 show that paid millions for the behind the scenes coverage. Masi won’t be in the job for long.
If that's true, Hamilton was right when before the start of the last lap he stated over the radio "This has been engineered". This has caused immense damage to the reputation of F1 which for most part has run clean since the Renault saga which ended with the team manager being banned for life from all tracks and involment after ordering a driver leading the race to crash.
Agreed, many teams and drivers want Masi to go. Inconsistent decisions.
Only once all cars unlap themselves is when the safety car can end, and it must do so on the following lap. ... Instead, the race restarted after the cars that separated Hamilton and Verstappen passed Hamilton, leading to the controversial end of the race.
The ruling of Michael Masi to allow selected lapped runners past the Safety Car in Abu Dhabi goes against a precedent he set in 2020.
The 2020 Eifel Grand Prix at the Nurburgring drew complaints from the drivers when a Safety Car had been deployed for a lengthy period of time during the race, when there were worries that the McLaren of Lando Norris â€" who had suffered an engine failure â€" would catch fire, given the visible burns on the bodywork at the time with smoke also coming out of the car.
Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen were the two front-running cars during that race as well, but they complained at the duration of the Safety Car period because of the negative effect of slower speeds on a cold track surface was having on their tyre temperatures.
One another point. If the track was designed like most others, barrier sections can be removed whilst the safety car is out so the offending car can be removed, or excess from the other side of the barriers so the car can be lifted over he barrier like has been done many times in the past. The FIA should be considering the tracks future because of the lack of thought when it was designed. 😎
I don't think Sir Lewis will be overly upset over being robbed of the championship now :grin: :grin:
After a meeting with those who make the decisions, Mercedes have agreed to drop their case on the promise that they and other teams will be included in all future rules and changes regarding the sport. The agreement has been accepted. 😎
Quote from: Dunedin on December 16, 2021, 11:06:36 AM
After a meeting with those who make the decisions, Mercedes have agreed to drop their case on the promise that they and other teams will be included in all future rules and changes regarding the sport. The agreement has been accepted. 😎
As expected :grin: :grin:
We appealed in the interest of sporting fairness, and we have since been in a constructive dialogue with the FIA and Formula 1 to create clarity for the future, so that all competitors know the rules under which they are racing, and how they will be enforced.
“Thus, we welcome the decision by the FIA to install a commission to thoroughly analyse what happened in Abu Dhabi and to improve the robustness of rules, governance and decision making in Formula 1. We also welcome that they have invited the teams and drivers to take part.â€
Mercedes also offered congratulations to Verstappen and Red Bull in their statement, writing: “We would like to express our sincere respect for your achievements this season. You made this Formula 1 Championship title fight truly epic. Max, we congratulate you and your entire team. We look forward to taking the fight to you on the track next season.â€
The new FIA President from Saudi Arabia has refused to rule out punishing Lewis Hamilton for not attending the awards ceremony. Both he and Toto Wolf were protesting by their non-attendance relating to the way the rules were changed from the standard rules which changed the enevertable result. 😡