Just wondered is anybody had used an E111 card recently,A friend of my lads,tripped last week and needed to go to Murcia AE she has now been billed for 205e even though she presented and they accepted the european heath card......Just wondered if any body else had had anything similar.
TVM
Well Tets, that's an interesting one.
I assume there's more to it than that but let's await Danny's (and his legal colleagues) assessment of the validity of the bill !!
Maybe they will use it as a test case in next week's Brexit class.....can't wait to hear the outcome.
Quote from: byrney on February 14, 2017, 21:49:37 PM
Well Tets, that's an interesting one.
I assume there's more to it than that but let's await Danny's (and his legal colleagues) assessment of the validity of the bill !!
Maybe they will use it as a test case in next week's Brexit class.....can't wait to hear the outcome.
bryns there going to ring newcatle on wensday,but the girls quite upset because she hasent got 205e and my mrs seems to rember reading somwere that somebody else has had the same deal....hence my ask on here,ie to see if its for refrence purposes only or she is liable for the payment until its cleared/ payed by the uk.
i had a simliar thing happen in the 1980,s florida hospital,appendix out 3500 for 4 days in hospital,bill invoiced to me in the uk and it wasent cleared until my insurance co payed the bill.
Well Tets, and, as you know, I'm not a lawyer, my simple understanding is that if you are a UK resident and have a valid EHIC Card you get free emergency treatment under either the reciprocal arrangements between the UK and Spain or as an EU Citizen.
Maybe the issue is that the young lady in question does not have a current, valid EHIC Card and that is why she is being charged?
Of course, if that is the case (and even if it isn't) this is a perfect opportunity to remind UK citizens who are residents/non-residents/tourists or whatever they choose to be "living" in Spain, that it is even more important now to make sure that they make the decision as to where they are living and make sure that they have the relevant documention in place to ensure they don't end up without health care when they need it.
Oh, how many times have I heard ex-pats use the phrase - "but I/we don't "do" illness"......
Again, though Tets, what's your kid's (and his legal muckers) take on this one?
It would be worth checking with the Citizens' Advice Spain as they are most likely to have the correct information. However, it depends very much on the circumstances, tourist, travel insurance, EHIC, emergency or not, private or state hospital. Some information here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10089368/Spain-faces-EU-legal-action-over-illegal-hospital-bills-for-tourists.html
and here
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/holidays/article-3117445/Maureen-s-2-400-bill-care-Spanish-hospital.html
but so much depends on the individual circumstances.
Basikly the girl is 18,from scotland uk res,non spanish res with a current european health card issued by newcatle, my kids going to the hospital with her wensday to see what the score is.
Thanks Karen for the links :sign0098:
I had to use my EHIC card in France a few years ago for treatment for a dislocated finger. I received a bill from the French hospital and, once paid, received a receipt to submit to the UK for reimbursement. As the bill was less than €50 I didn't bother claiming it back.
The first question that should be ask is the hospital a private one . There are to types here in Spain and if you don't go to the equivalent to our national health one you will get charged even if you have a card.
The other issue is whether the hospital considered it a genuine emergency, covered by the reciprocal agreement.
My wife and sister-in-law have both used their health cards at the Salud in Albox with no trouble at all. :sign0098:
Quote from: Roger on February 15, 2017, 08:20:41 AM
The other issue is whether the hospital considered it a genuine emergency, covered by the reciprocal agreement.
What do you mean by 'emergency'? The EHIC is supposed to cover all health problems requiring treatment, as long as you are not going abroad specifically for that treatment.
Quote from http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/EHIC/Pages/about-the-ehic.aspx (http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/EHIC/Pages/about-the-ehic.aspx):
"Covered
The card provides you with the right to access state-provided healthcare on temporary stays at a reduced cost or, in many cases, for free. This includes treatment of a chronic or pre-existing medical condition that becomes necessary during your visit.
It includes routine maternity care (not only because of illness or an accident), as long as you're not going abroad to give birth. However, if the birth happens unexpectedly, the EHIC will cover the cost of all medical treatment for mother and baby linked to the birth.
The EHIC covers the provision of oxygen and kidney dialysis, although you will have to arrange and pre-book these treatments before you go on holiday. You can ask your GP or hospital for advice, but make sure you are not booked with a private healthcare provider, as these are not covered by the EHIC.
The card also covers routine medical care for people with pre-existing conditions that need monitoring."
Quote from: Roger on February 15, 2017, 08:20:41 AM
The other issue is whether the hospital considered it a genuine emergency, covered by the reciprocal agreement.
it was AE Rog,she stumbled on a pavment ( sober ) and the 2 lads had to carry her to AE round the corner ie the main Reni Sophia state Hospital,there they x rayed the ankle,and then strapped it up,no problem with the euro card,everything done dusted within 2 hours in AE but then got a bill in the post yesterday from the hospital approx 10 days after the treatment.
How long had she been "living" in Spain? Just for a couple of weeks holiday, or had she been here for rather longer and, hence, should have registered with the Authorities?
Quote from: byrney on February 15, 2017, 19:25:23 PM
How long had she been "living" in Spain? Just for a couple of weeks holiday, or had she been here for rather longer and, hence, should have registered with the Authorities?
Bryns she works for the uk government,there making a list of UK illigal Aliens,that may try to get beck into the UK,befor B exit Day.you will be ok tho,ive already had a word,infact ive got yer on the Filey Brit plate round table....
jnrs been busy to day wi lectures,so dont think thev sorted it.
over & Out :great:
ps
you must maintain radio silence this weekend the national Police will be listening to our brexit comunikays,there especialy intrested in Northan,Shell suited,gold shoed up,Ryan Air early borders,....3 under cover NP will be on gate 29 Alacanti ...all weekend
over & Out x2 .
ps
if we have any ladys on the panel that know me,ive got man flue and feel snit,will yer drop us a bit of cake in or a bun if yer baking ,thanks xx
Oh no!!! Tets, :16: not man flu :c023: be brave Tets, it'll pass :72: unless yer peg out in the meantime :32:
Quote from: webejamin on February 15, 2017, 22:51:01 PM
Oh no!!! Tets, :16: not man flu :c023: be brave Tets, it'll pass :72: unless yer peg out in the meantime :32:
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im gonna get a a rub down wi vic, then read an Oct 1989 financel times......gi mi sen a bit of a lift :cry:
Tets,
Did u get your rub down from Vic, is he friends of Hogs & Webbe from the Blue Oyster Club.
CB.. :103: for me theme night.. :signspamani: also availble..
Yes, that's what I thought JP !!
Quote from: John P on February 16, 2017, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: byrney on February 15, 2017, 19:25:23 PM
How long had she been "living" in Spain? Just for a couple of weeks holiday, or had she been here for rather longer and, hence, should have registered with the Authorities?
Byrney, I've decoded the reply above and it seems to say, please don't ask awkward questions or I'll have to dissemble. :hee20hee20hee:
At least you & bryns are been Consistent,were certainly blessed....
Bill,Vic worked a treat :sign0098:
My kids just been back to the hospital...apparently....they thought the UK had already left the EU and the card was no longer valid because of this reason..... hence the invoice also the girl is an Irish National so there sorting the bill for her as Irealand is still an EU Member.....
looks like may 2019 onwards should be fun........not !
We'll be alright Tets 2 million expats turning up in the UK for housing and medical care ....No problem for the NHS .... Might be a problem with the housing though .... still we can always build a tent city outside Westminster
Fing is,even with a deal done to remain, the medical must be maintained...........as part of a deal.
how do you code brake this one boys...... ?
Quote from: Tetley on February 16, 2017, 14:48:59 PM
My kids just been back to the hospital...apparently....they thought the UK had already left the EU and the card was no longer valid because of this reason..... hence the invoice also the girl is an Irish National so there sorting the bill for her as Irealand is still an EU Member.....
looks like may 2019 onwards should be fun........not !
My god are they serious?! Do they/professionals really think the UK is no longer part of the EU?! Just like those idiot UK folk who have been coming home to UK from holiday and filing into the "non-EU" queues at customs etc. Unbelievable!
Just shows you how up to date and knowledgeable on current affairs some of the local Spanish are ! :57:
You could'nt make it up !
Quote from: zilnor on February 16, 2017, 16:17:33 PM
Just shows you how up to date and knowledgeable on current affairs some of the local Spanish are ! :57:
You could'nt make it up !
Goes for some of the ex pats too Zilnor :banghead:
Oddly a similar thing happened in Albox around 6 months ago. Staff refusing to register Brits as we had voted out so no more service. They were put right but it's a strange old world.
Quote from: mel20 on February 16, 2017, 15:14:48 PM
We'll be alright Tets 2 million expats turning up in the UK for housing and medical care ....No problem for the NHS .... Might be a problem with the housing though .... still we can always build a tent city outside Westminster
With 3.3m EU citizens living in the UK but only 1.2M expats living in the EU then returning expats should find no problems getting a house to live in and the NHS current problems will be sorted.
Role on 2019!!!!
Lynden,
I was referring to professionals at a Spanish hospital, not silly Brits trying to break back into their country ! :57:
The thing is this is a large city centre hospital in a capital of a main Autonomous Region of spain,it does make yer wonder what instruction has been handed down,ie were not talking a small village GP ,s up in the mountains were there guessing.......
anyway campers at least yev all had the heads up if using yer e111,s as to what could happen as i would think very few Brit,s will have good enough Spanish to point out your rights and there obligations to you on the medical care front as a current European citizen.
Quote from: Roy Thomas on February 16, 2017, 16:28:51 PM
Quote from: mel20 on February 16, 2017, 15:14:48 PM
We'll be alright Tets 2 million expats turning up in the UK for housing and medical care ....No problem for the NHS .... Might be a problem with the housing though .... still we can always build a tent city outside Westminster
With 3.3m EU citizens living in the UK but only 1.2M expats living in the EU then returning expats should find no problems getting a house to live in and the NHS current problems will be sorted.
Role on 2019!!!!
assuming there are any nursing staff or care home bum wipers left......once everybodys does the UK & EU Oky Coky......
Quote from: John P on February 16, 2017, 17:31:42 PM
Quote from: Tetley on February 16, 2017, 15:50:49 PM
how do you code brake this one boys...... ?
Difficult one really.
So she's a Scot, then she's got a valid UK EHIC, then she's Irish, and the hospital thinks she's already left the EU.
I think we might need Alan Turing for this one.
plus her Dads a top cop,so hepefully she will have all the boxes ticked,she is UK resident ie the familys in Scotland but she also has Irish citizenship.
the main thing for me here,is
sombody uses the e111,they get billed,newcastle pays up.... but its not cleared off the manderins computer this end,next thing theres debt collectors jumping around either in uk or sp or..... both and the debt on paper is increasing.
intresting times...
Quote from: Roy Thomas on February 16, 2017, 16:28:51 PM
Quote from: mel20 on February 16, 2017, 15:14:48 PM
We'll be alright Tets 2 million expats turning up in the UK for housing and medical care ....No problem for the NHS .... Might be a problem with the housing though .... still we can always build a tent city outside Westminster
With 3.3m EU citizens living in the UK but only 1.2M expats living in the EU then returning expats should find no problems getting a house to live in and the NHS current problems will be sorted.
Role on 2019!!!!
If you believe that figure then you are dreaming . There is more than that living in Spain alone.
Over the last 15 years the emigration from the Uk has averaged around 300k. That's 4,5 million just in that period. Admittedly not all are in the EU , nor have half died. General concensus of those without a vested interest in book cooking is there are 5 million living in the EU.
If you also think that the 3,3 million would actually leave without trashing the place you must be on something ?
Or that a large amount of those who might involuntarily return wouldn't also torch what the others leaving hadn't you are in cloud cuckoo land. Not that it is going to come to that you should hope for your own sake.
Quote from: gus-lopez on February 16, 2017, 17:48:08 PM
Quote from: Roy Thomas on February 16, 2017, 16:28:51 PM
Quote from: mel20 on February 16, 2017, 15:14:48 PM
We'll be alright Tets 2 million expats turning up in the UK for housing and medical care ....No problem for the NHS .... Might be a problem with the housing though .... still we can always build a tent city outside Westminster
With 3.3m EU citizens living in the UK but only 1.2M expats living in the EU then returning expats should find no problems getting a house to live in and the NHS current problems will be sorted.
Role on 2019!!!!
If you believe that figure then you are dreaming . There is more than that living in Spain alone.
Over the last 15 years the emigration from the Uk has averaged around 300k. That's 4,5 million just in that period. Admittedly not all are in the EU , nor have half died. General concensus of those without a vested interest in book cooking is there are 5 million living in the EU.
If you also think that the 3,3 million would actually leave without trashing the place you must be on something ?
Or that a large amount of those who might involuntarily return wouldn't also torch what the others leaving hadn't you are in cloud cuckoo land. Not that it is going to come to that you should hope for your own sake.
5m Expats living in Europe I think it is you in cloud cuckoo land.
But like you I do not think it will come to us having to return the UK.
But continued triple lock increases in state pension each year is unlikely.
So you can have a health card from more than one country? I thought they were linked to the health authority that you are registered with.
I am assuming from Tetley's statement that the girl was born in Northern Ireland so therefore is able to get a Irish and UK passport.
So as she lives in Scotland she has UK EIHC card but as she is also an Irish citizen is also entitled to free healthcare being an Irish citizen.
Quote from: Roy Thomas on February 16, 2017, 20:59:45 PM
I am assuming from Tetley's statement that the girl was born in Northern Ireland so therefore is able to get a Irish and UK passport.
So as she lives in Scotland she has UK EIHC card but as she is also an Irish citizen is also entitled to free healthcare being an Irish citizen.
i fink thats the jist,the main point ive learnt is...... if there bxgering every bxgger abought now.... wile were in the EU what will it be like once were out........or am i going all Hozzy Hosbourne.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkXHsK4AQPs
No such thing as free healthcare in the Republic Of Ireland, unless you are unemployed or low income earner ( even then you are means tested ).
Quite right Doreen 1. Brits are one very spoilt nationality
Its certainly going to be intresting on the EU outside .
only Spoilt Eddy...... some Brits still seem to think there the master race and the world will stop rotating without them..... looks like there going to be paying for there European Folly.......
Can't say I know anyone who thinks that Brits are some superior race Tets.
Most UK folks are seriously hacked off with the race to the bottom mentality that successive governments have pursued.
Don't worry about the bright kids, just make sure little Jonny has loads of support and we hit the targets. Hand outs to the won't do's, the entitlement generation ( the ones who don't tend to vote oddly) who believe they should have it all without grafting for it. The politicians grubbing in the trough. The obnoxious Benidorm party yoofs.
There's no wonder that things are kicking off.
There's nothing wrong in believing things could be better. No prospect of that with the status quo in the EU.
I blame.......in no particular order...
The welfare state.....for an ever expanding remit
The TV
The Social Media
Celebrity
If the UK's education system was wound back 50 years we may start to have decently educated individuals who might be able to see through all the bull.
Quote from: Lynden on February 17, 2017, 10:20:34 AM
Can't say I know anyone who thinks that Brits are some superior race Tets.
Most UK folks are seriously hacked off with the race to the bottom mentality that successive governments have pursued.
Don't worry about the bright kids, just make sure little Jonny has loads of support and we hit the targets. Hand outs to the won't do's, the entitlement generation ( the ones who don't tend to vote oddly) who believe they should have it all without grafting for it. The politicians grubbing in the trough. The obnoxious Benidorm party yoofs.
There's no wonder that things are kicking off.
There's nothing wrong in believing things could be better. No prospect of that with the status quo in the EU.
I blame.......in no particular order...
The welfare state.....for an ever expanding remit
The TV
The Social Media
Celebrity
If the UK's education system was wound back 50 years we may start to have decently educated individuals who might be able to see through all the bull.
if i had a pound for every brit ive spoke to since the 24 june that thinks spain will close without the brit pound.....id have made a lot more money than i made on my brexit hedges....
anyway...lets sit back and wittness the brave new england & and punter financing of it,hacked off..........we aint seen nothing yet ! lol
I don't know any Brits who think they are the master race Tets.
Quote from: zilnor on February 17, 2017, 17:24:35 PM
I don't know any Brits who think they are the master race Tets.
really............. :grin:
I always thought it was the Germans who considered themselves to be the superior race.
I thought the Bits superior complex was whatBritex was all about.
Quote from: ray on February 17, 2017, 20:01:02 PM
I thought the Bits superior complex was whatBritex was all about.
No it was being the doormat of Europe that caused it. Paying in and watching France take it out. Having no say due to the way EU voting is structured (rigged).....,oddly Spain suffer this but hey ho they get the cash so don't worry too much.
And - now back to Planet Earth.
There are plenty of other threads on here (way far too many actually IMHO) which either started as "leaving the EU" posts, or have been turned into "leaving the EU" posts.
So can we please get back to the OP's gripe?
Have we yet established whether this poor young lady was charged for her treatment due to a "misunderstanding" as to whether the UK/Ireland has left the EU, or whether she has been living here for far longer than the "emergency" treatment covered by her E111/EHIC Card allows her, or (heaven forbid) it was simply a mischievous post?....
the hospital where very helpfull once they were made aware,
she was invoiced in error......as a non EU Cit.
and its now been sorted.
as for mischeif just give me a little bit of credit bryns.........
It's more than a little bit worrying that a hospital can think a UK citizen is not an EU citizen.
Quote from: Karen4 on February 18, 2017, 07:29:04 AM
It's more than a little bit worrying that a hospital can think a UK citizen is not an EU citizen.
Jnr said it was a genuine mistake once he made the folks aware that the young lady was an EU Citizen and her Card was valid they were very helpfull.
however Karen i do agree that it MAY get a little worrying for those hopeing to holiday at a discount, if the Health card goes on its arse after the brexit especialy anybody with private holiday insurence load able conditions......or non insurable pre conditions.
still thats progress..... we will have our Soveringty back ( and still be paying into the EU to trade ) carnt make a uk omlett without cracking uk Eggs....................mmmmm
Byrney,
Tets has just proved your point. ! He must dream about Brexit every night and the first word he says every morning is "Brexit" .
Dear old Tets, the thought of having to return to Blighty and get some paid work is obviously tipping him over the edge :57:
Don't worry, plenty of jobs here , unemployment rate is only 5% compared to 20% in Spain :hee20hee20hee:
Quote from: zilnor on February 18, 2017, 07:52:15 AM
Byrney,
Tets has just proved your point. ! He must dream about Brexit every night and the first word he says every morning is "Brexit" .
Dear old Tets, the thought of having to return to Blighty and get some paid work is obviously tipping him over the edge :57:
Don't worry, plenty of jobs here , unemployment rate is only 5% compared to 20% in Spain :hee20hee20hee:
Here Here well said Zills,no doubt bryns and the Arbi code break club :welcome: will be along shortly ti savage mi wi a wet electronic letuice......
anyway dont be to hard on mi...ive still got the flues.... :035:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoPNC3ebYQ :grin:
Tets,
:93: :grin: Hope you soon feel better. :88:
Quote from: zilnor on February 18, 2017, 08:06:41 AM
Tets,
:93: :grin: Hope you soon feel better. :88:
if i was in uk....id have had a couple of weeks on sick... :great: ( once i find out how mutch state sick pay is )
They're still signing Brits on the foreigners list up here & then round the inss for registering for health care. :sign0098:
"as for mischeif just give me a little bit of credit bryns........." - I do !! :grin:
byrney, you're a little rascal :72:
Looks like there at the charging lark again this time its Hercual Overa
taken from a persons post off faces book
"I fell a few weeks ago. Used Ehic but still got bill €288.48 rang Nhs uk and they said I have to pay it then claim. They said it could take 6-9 months and probably only get a small amount back."
AND , if one does not have the money ?
Quite frankly Steve that is rubbish and you know it. You are just scare mongering. No problem using EHIC in my experience. You should know better Steve.
Our sister-in-law used the A&E in Huercal Overa post head trauma and had X-rays & sutures. 12months later and no bill. Not sure how they could make you pay. Take you to Court in UK? Debt collectors? That would be interesting. Still we all know of those Resident out here without Medical Cover who claim to be on holiday.
Dr. Bob and Sandra
Quote from: StellaL on August 19, 2017, 03:14:30 AM
Quite frankly Steve that is rubbish and you know it. You are just scare mongering. No problem using EHIC in my experience. You should know better Steve.
ok Stell thanks.....
(ps campers the first issue may lad had to go into the hospital and srt for his friend the second issue was taken directly from face book from a persons own experience recently using the E111 card )
Quote from: BobL on August 19, 2017, 05:36:38 AM
Our sister-in-law used the A&E in Huercal Overa post head trauma and had X-rays & sutures. 12months later and no bill. Not sure how they could make you pay. Take you to Court in UK? Debt collectors? That would be interesting. Still we all know of those Resident out here without Medical Cover who claim to be on holiday.
Dr. Bob and Sandra
Bob
in the early days folks did chance it under reiterment age with the E111 only,however one of the main things now for all under retirment age is the section 7 bit of the EU Citizens rights directive,were un under retirent age EU cit wishing to stay longer than 90 days in another state must have comprehensive medical insurance so as not to be a burden on the state there visiting for long stay or living in.
also this is what the UK are hitting EU punters with that have done the 85 page form to apply for residency ie were,s yer proof of medical.....from when yer first entered the uk....
Before I was a resident of Spain but living here, just, I broke my foot on a visit to Valencia, I used my EHIC and got full treatment and six months of follow up and rehab. Was unable to walk for 12 weeks, wheelchair bound. The only thing they didn't do was transfer me from University la Fa to a local hospital by ambulance, I had to travel in the back of my dads car. I wasn't asked for or invoiced a penny. I didn't have travel insurance.
FM
Quote from: fidgetmidget on August 19, 2017, 10:36:03 AM
Before I was a resident of Spain but living here, just, I broke my foot on a visit to Valencia, I used my EHIC and got full treatment and six months of follow up and rehab. Was unable to walk for 12 weeks, wheelchair bound. The only thing they didn't do was transfer me from University la Fa to a local hospital by ambulance, I had to travel in the back of my dads car. I wasn't asked for or invoiced a penny. I didn't have travel insurance.
FM
just out of intrest was this in the past few months or a wile back.
Hi, we have friends living here since mid last year and no Medical cover for them or children. Just using EHIC & brit vehicle. This is one example of a number we know of and have known of. It's how the rules/ regulations are applied/ enforced. Our relative required to take Passport &'EHIC back to Hospital admin together with the form issued by the Urgencias, and the member of Staff didn't know what she was talking about. A fellow patient sorted it out. Peanuts & monkeys spring to mind. Another well known local resident running a business here semi-legally, required to have a Coronary before he and his wife became legal. He had been using EHIC for 10+ years.
Bob
"Hi, we have friends living here since mid last year and no Medical cover for them or children. Just using EHIC & brit vehicle."
Correct Bob. We all know of people who are flying by the seats of their pants and they will be the ones who will bleat when they get caught out.
But, at the end of the day, if that is how they want to live their lives then so be it. I personally wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
Quote from: Tetley on August 19, 2017, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: fidgetmidget on August 19, 2017, 10:36:03 AM
Before I was a resident of Spain but living here, just, I broke my foot on a visit to Valencia, I used my EHIC and got full treatment and six months of follow up and rehab. Was unable to walk for 12 weeks, wheelchair bound. The only thing they didn't do was transfer me from University la Fa to a local hospital by ambulance, I had to travel in the back of my dads car. I wasn't asked for or invoiced a penny. I didn't have travel insurance.
FM
just out of intrest was this in the past few months or a wile back.
Hi Tets
It was a while back but my friend in May this year fell ill in Benidorm and was rushed to hospital where they were going to fit a pacemaker, she had left her EHIC in another handbag at home in error. She had to call her son who copied and faxed it over then he had to call the NHS each day and they faxed through authorisation for treatment every 3 days.
Fm
Intresting stuff,
the E111 at the mo could possible be down to how diffrent medical types are interpreting the rules at the mo with the uk giving notice were eu...off
i was suprised at the persons post on FB were they said the uk told them to pay it then re claim it,thats going to be a right pain for holiday makers IF it becomes the norm.
hey ho .
There seems to be a lot of people living here that use the EHIC cards to get treatment free.
They may have been living here for ages but surely they can't have residencia.
We had to prove we had Private Health Care to gain Residency.
Quote from: Popski on August 19, 2017, 17:58:04 PM
There seems to be a lot of people living here that use the EHIC cards to get treatment free.
They may have been living here for ages but surely they can't have residencia.
We had to prove we had Private Health Care to gain Residency.
this may help explain residency for current eu citizens through out the current 28 states
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo_DDXhbN1U ( 1 to 2 mins into the clip )
and also what lead to the current postion the UK finds its self in,by allowing everybody IN,that werent self surficent with private medical......BEFOR they issued uk NI numbers.....very very diffrent to the Spanish model of NIE number issue.
Quote from: Hogs on August 19, 2017, 18:44:27 PM
Ahhhh well if UK ExPats have to prove that they have private healthcare then I suppose its only right that the UK are now going this route also with Brexit !
https://www.ft.com/content/b1c556d6-2048-11e7-a454-ab04428977f9
Likewise there's no social security in Spain for UK ExPats so a quick entitlement ammendment to the UK Benifits System will bring the UK into line with the EU way of dealing with people seeking UK Resident Status too would be a good thing I suppose.
And before anybody quotes the wonderful Medical staff from Spain proping up the NHS the facts say something a little diferent however. Doctors from Spain in NHS Practices and Hospitals? 10% is the number.
And Spanish Nurses in the NHS ? Only 5% is the number of that group.
They may not be in the UK for the Benefit Handouts but at least in the UK they do get paid the salary in their contracts !
Oh as I by the by when my mate was rushed into HO Hospital with a subsequent diagnosis of a Brain Tumour his Wife had to be there to care for all his needs that weren't medical and also the same when he was transfered to Almeria for his Op, 100 plus Kms away. The UK hospitals normally a bit closer to the Patient than that though!
Hogsy (Standing By for incoming!)
this is correct Hogs and its why the UK is the laffing stock ie moaning abought EU Citizen Influxes when they could have controlled it all under section 7 of the EU rights citizen bit.....from day 1
now they have a mountain to climb ie sorting the 3 mill folks plus rights out for EU cits that might or might not have been complying with section 7,so it is probably best the UK just walks as the citizens bits will probably take the UK 100 years to sort lol
Hogsy,
My experience of Spanish hospitals after a road traffic accident near Mojacar :
Huercal Ov could not stop internal bleeding ( I cracked three ribs which punctured my right lung) or deal with my head injury, so I was airlifted to Granada hospital for emergency surgery at mid-night. Could not fault the medical care which saved my life, but the nursing side was not quite as good as UK. Family are expected to help out, and my son's girlfriend slept in the chair next to my bed for three nights. My son slept in a chair next to my husband's bed in HO hospital. Rather like unpaid nursing staff !
Certainly nursing care is a bit different in Spain, although from what I read about the NHS you cannot always depend on it in the UK now with the extra pressure on staff.
However from experience I can say that if the family do not sit in (which is a Spanish thing that they want to do it) then the nurses step in a are very attentive.
As for the problem of distance from a main hospital, that is because we live in an out of the way part of a large country with low population density.
People often compare access to a main hospital in rural Almeria to an urban area in the UK.